# MonadPlus reform proposal

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+ | The left-biased implementation of mplus for the Maybe monad should be used as an implementation of morelse, but it is also possible to give an unbiased mplus for Maybe: |
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+ | instance MonadPlus Maybe where |
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+ | mplus (Just a) Nothing = a |
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+ | mplus Nothing (Just a) = a |
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+ | mplus _ _ = Nothing |
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+ | instance MonadOr Maybe where |
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+ | morelse (Just a) _ = Just a |
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+ | morelse _ b = b |
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== Discussion == |
== Discussion == |
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Given that Control.Applicative(Alternative) now defines a class which seems innately bound to '''Left Catch''', at least in spirit, it seems to make sense to clean up MonadPlus such that all instances obey '''Left Distribution'''? --sclv |
Given that Control.Applicative(Alternative) now defines a class which seems innately bound to '''Left Catch''', at least in spirit, it seems to make sense to clean up MonadPlus such that all instances obey '''Left Distribution'''? --sclv |
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+ | I'd actually suggest almost the opposite, that MonadPlus be dispensed with and merged into Monad. The (controversial) fail method looks no different than an mzero, except the string argument; indeed, so far as I know <tt>fail s</tt> is just mzero for any MonadPlus. MonadPlus is also barely made use of; just guard and msum in the standard? To be concrete, I would make the following the default definitions (in Monad): |
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+ | mzero = fail "something" |
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+ | mplus a b = a |
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+ | </haskell> |
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+ | These are thus somewhat trivial by default, but having msum=head and guard=assert (roughly; more like <tt>(`assert` return ())</tt>) for less-flexible monads doesn't seem actually wrong and could be useful fallbacks. |
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+ | I also question the claim that Maybe and IO should be thought of as "left catch". IO is not even in MonadPlus, and I don't see how it can be meaningfully in any way other than the above. Maybe does satisfy Left Catch, but it seems almost like that's only because it's such a simple monad (holding only one value). It is a useful observation that it fails Left Distribution, but that may only call for weaker Monad/Plus conditions. |
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+ | The MonadOr idea is a solid one, but it seems to be taking the monad in a different direction. So if there's a good match in Control.Applicative or Parsec, that might be the best place to develop that idea. -- Galen |
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+ | The default <hask>mplus</hask> doesn't satisfy <hask>mplus mzero b = b</hask>, so you lose Monoid which seems to be the only thing people actually agree on :) -- [[User:Benmachine|Benmachine]] |
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[[Category:Proposals]] [[Category:Monad]] |
[[Category:Proposals]] [[Category:Monad]] |

## Revision as of 01:01, 18 May 2011

The MonadPlus class is ambiguous: while all instances satisfy **Monoid** and **Left Zero**, some such as `[]` satisfy **Left Distribution**, while others such as `Maybe` and `IO` satisfy **Left Catch**.

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## 1 Proposal

It is proposed that MonadPlus be split like this:

### 1.1 MonadZero

class Monad m => MonadZero m where mzero :: m a

satisfying **Left Zero**:

mzero >>= k = mzero

### 1.2 MonadPlus

class MonadZero m => MonadPlus m where mplus :: m a -> m a -> m a

satisfying **Monoid** and **Left Distribution**:

mplus mzero b = b mplus a mzero = a mplus (mplus a b) c = mplus a (mplus b c) mplus a b >>= k = mplus (a >>= k) (b >>= k)

### 1.3 MonadOr

class MonadZero m => MonadOr m where morelse :: m a -> m a -> m a

satisfying **Monoid** and **Left Catch**:

morelse mzero b = b morelse a mzero = a morelse (morelse a b) c = morelse a (morelse b c) morelse (return a) b = return a

## 2 Instances of both

Some types could be made instances of both. For instance:

instance MonadOr [] where morelse [] b = b morelse a b = a

The left-biased implementation of mplus for the Maybe monad should be used as an implementation of morelse, but it is also possible to give an unbiased mplus for Maybe:

instance MonadPlus Maybe where mplus (Just a) Nothing = a mplus Nothing (Just a) = a mplus _ _ = Nothing instance MonadOr Maybe where morelse (Just a) _ = Just a morelse _ b = b

## 3 Discussion

Given that Control.Applicative(Alternative) now defines a class which seems innately bound to **Left Catch**, at least in spirit, it seems to make sense to clean up MonadPlus such that all instances obey **Left Distribution**? --sclv

I'd actually suggest almost the opposite, that MonadPlus be dispensed with and merged into Monad. The (controversial) fail method looks no different than an mzero, except the string argument; indeed, so far as I know `fail s` is just mzero for any MonadPlus. MonadPlus is also barely made use of; just guard and msum in the standard? To be concrete, I would make the following the default definitions (in Monad):

mzero = fail "something" mplus a b = a

These are thus somewhat trivial by default, but having msum=head and guard=assert (roughly; more like `(`assert` return ())`) for less-flexible monads doesn't seem actually wrong and could be useful fallbacks.

I also question the claim that Maybe and IO should be thought of as "left catch". IO is not even in MonadPlus, and I don't see how it can be meaningfully in any way other than the above. Maybe does satisfy Left Catch, but it seems almost like that's only because it's such a simple monad (holding only one value). It is a useful observation that it fails Left Distribution, but that may only call for weaker Monad/Plus conditions.

The MonadOr idea is a solid one, but it seems to be taking the monad in a different direction. So if there's a good match in Control.Applicative or Parsec, that might be the best place to develop that idea. -- Galen

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