[Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?
gue.schmidt at web.de
Sun Mar 28 12:37:35 EDT 2010
Am 28.03.10 18:11, schrieb Christopher Lane Hinson:
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010, G?nther Schmidt wrote
>> "display themselves on demand" is putting it rather harshly don't you
> No. The women in our community are not required to come forth as
> witnesses on what it's like to be women in our community. They most
> likely do not want to be under a magnifying glass, do not want to be
> exposed to harrasment, and would not actually be qualified to
> personally represent all other women in the community. They do not
> want to be held up as community ornaments.
I wish to clarify here: I don't recall writing in my initial email
"Female Haskellers I demand you identify yourselves". So I took offense
on the suggestion I did so.
> If you're wondering how I know what women in our community want -- I
> don't. I'm just paraphrasing things that women in this situation have
> repeatedly said, and yet, somehow, gone unheard.
Do not worry, I wasn't.
> It was probably also uncool to call out a specific woman by name, who
> did not volunteer for this.
Do suggest I did so? I don't recall mentioning anyone by name.
> I think we have some work to do to make the haskell community inclusive.
Possibly so, but until now I have no indication that it's not, could you
elaborate where you see a problem? Also I personally don't do
"community" thingies, I'm just not that kind of person. I'm not sure
about "haskell-community". I mean I like haskell, am interested in it,
appreciate being in contact with people who do likewise but "community"?
I don't remember signing up or pledging allegiance.
> One thing that I keep hearing is "I'm not trying to be offensive." I
> think it's easy to get caught up on "not being offensive" so that we
> don't make any progress. It's impossible not to offend people -- but
> it is possible to take the time to listen and correct problematic
> behavior and communicate what you've learned to others.
One thing I do notice, one starts with a harmless question and it out of
the blue it suddenly becomes political. In both ways. Is there really a
need for this?
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