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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Good news about the iPhone port!&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>There seems to be quite a bit
more interest now in supporting platforms other than win/*nix on x86 these
days*. &nbsp;Maybe now there will be sufficient motivation to make the
fundamental changes required. Caveat: I have absolutely no idea of the scope or
complexity of said changes.&nbsp; I will look through the LambdaVM code (and
iPwn when available)&nbsp; to get an idea. <o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>There is definitely an opportunity here for someone to make an
impact.&nbsp; There is no reason in principle why Haskell can&#8217;t run on a
JVM or .net or other platform.&nbsp; But it&#8217;s not just a simple matter of
absorbing some patch or other.&nbsp; Here&#8217;s a summary I wrote a little
while ago:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/GHC:FAQ#Why_isn.27t_GHC_available_for_.NET_or_on_the_JVM.3F">http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/GHC:FAQ#Why_isn.27t_GHC_available_for_.NET_or_on_the_JVM.3F</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The short summary is: <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>There is interesting design work to do; and then interesting
engineering work to make it a reality.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>We (at GHC HQ) would love to see that happen, but are not likely
to drive it.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If someone, or a small group, wanted to take up the cudgels and
work on it, we&#8217;d be happy to advise.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>We&#8217;d certainly consider folding the results into the HEAD,
provided the author(s) are willing to maintain it, and we feel that the result
is comprehensible and maintainable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>But another viable route might well be to use the GHC API, which
means that the result wouldn&#8217;t be part of GHC at all, just a client of
the API.&nbsp; That would make it much easier to distribute upgrades etc, just
as a Cabal package.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> haskell-cafe-bounces@haskell.org
[mailto:haskell-cafe-bounces@haskell.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rick R<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 23 June 2009 14:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Haskell Cafe<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell on the iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>There seems to be quite a bit
more interest now in supporting platforms other than win/*nix on x86 these
days*. <br>
Maybe now there will be sufficient motivation to make the fundamental changes
required. Caveat: I have absolutely no idea of the scope or complexity of said
changes.&nbsp; I will look through the LambdaVM code (and iPwn when
available)&nbsp; to get an idea. <br>
<br>
Perhaps we can devote a section of Haskell Wiki to generalizing Haskell for
multiple targets? <br>
<br>
The industry has been clamoring for a unified solution to all of the mobile
platforms out there. If Haskell can provide that, it would be a huge win for
its popularity.<br>
<br>
*&nbsp; Thanks primarily to the iPhone and Android systems. I think currently
iPhone is swaying the most votes but Android is due to be on a dozen phones and
possibly even a netbook.&nbsp; (I have heard two announcements and one
cancellation with regards to the netbooks).&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 8:34 AM, John A. De Goes &lt;<a
href="mailto:john@n-brain.net">john@n-brain.net</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>I have strong interest in Haskell on the JVM. Not for
Android, however.<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>Seems like every time this topic comes up, the consensus is
that it's not easy to support new targets with GHC, but that &quot;work is
underway&quot; to make such developments easier.<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>John A. De Goes<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>N-Brain, Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>The Evolution of Collaboration<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:black'><a href="http://www.n-brain.net" target="_blank">http://www.n-brain.net</a>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Ryan Trinkle wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>

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<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Rick,<br>
<br>
I know some work has been done on JVM - iirc, Don Stewart did some work back in
the day, <cite><a
href="http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/%7Epls/thesis/dons-thesis.ps.gz"
target="_blank">www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~pls/thesis/dons-thesis.ps.gz</a></cite>,
but I'm not sure how comprehensive it is.<br>
<br>
Is anyone else interested in JVM-based Haskell targets?<br>
<br>
<br>
Ryan<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 20:42, Rick R &lt;<a
href="mailto:rick.richardson@gmail.com" target="_blank">rick.richardson@gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal>This is definitely good news! <br>
<br>
So...&nbsp; who's doing the Android/JVM target?&nbsp; ;) <o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Daniel Peebles &lt;<a
href="mailto:pumpkingod@gmail.com" target="_blank">pumpkingod@gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal>How exciting! I fully support the creation of a new mailing
list about<br>
iphone+haskell :)<o:p></o:p></p>

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On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Ryan Trinkle&lt;<a
href="mailto:ryant5000@gmail.com" target="_blank">ryant5000@gmail.com</a>&gt;
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<p class=MsoNormal>&gt; Dear Haskellers,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Recently, there's been a groundswell of activity in the Haskell community<br>
&gt; regarding the Haskell's use in developing iPhone games.&nbsp; The iPhone
is a<br>
&gt; powerful, innovative platform (with a great monetization scheme, to boot),<br>
&gt; and it's not surprising that many of us would want to develop apps for it
in<br>
&gt; our favorite language.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I am proud to announce today that my company, iPwn Studios Inc., is<br>
&gt; currently preparing to release an open source patch to GHC that allows it
to<br>
&gt; output binaries for iPhone OS.&nbsp; The patch will be released under a
BSD<br>
&gt; license as soon as possible and hopefully integrated into the GHC
main-line<br>
&gt; in the near future.&nbsp; As the first (to my knowledge) Haskell-based
game<br>
&gt; studio, iPwn Studios is committed to giving back to the Haskell community<br>
&gt; through open source - contributing to a rising tide that lifts us all.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I would like to take this opportunity to propose the creation of a<br>
&gt; haskell-iphone mailing list, so that all Haskellers working with the
iPhone<br>
&gt; - whether for profit or for pleasure - can come together to make Haskell a<br>
&gt; force to be reckoned with in the burgeoning iPhone App marketplace.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Best wishes,<br>
&gt; Ryan Trinkle<br>
&gt; President, iPwn Studios Inc.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; P.S.: If you wish to be involved in the preparation of the GHC patch or in<br>
&gt; the creation of iPwn Studios' first game, don't hesitate to contact me by<br>
&gt; email (<a href="mailto:ryant5000@gmail.com" target="_blank">ryant5000@gmail.com</a>),
AIM (RyanT5000), or IRC (RyanT5000 on<br>
&gt; <a href="http://irc.freenode.net" target="_blank">irc.freenode.net</a>).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>

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