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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Good news about the iPhone port! </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>There seems to be quite a bit
more interest now in supporting platforms other than win/*nix on x86 these
days*. Maybe now there will be sufficient motivation to make the
fundamental changes required. Caveat: I have absolutely no idea of the scope or
complexity of said changes. I will look through the LambdaVM code (and
iPwn when available) to get an idea. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>There is definitely an opportunity here for someone to make an
impact. There is no reason in principle why Haskell can’t run on a
JVM or .net or other platform. But it’s not just a simple matter of
absorbing some patch or other. Here’s a summary I wrote a little
while ago:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/GHC:FAQ#Why_isn.27t_GHC_available_for_.NET_or_on_the_JVM.3F">http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/GHC:FAQ#Why_isn.27t_GHC_available_for_.NET_or_on_the_JVM.3F</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The short summary is: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span
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color:#1F497D'>There is interesting design work to do; and then interesting
engineering work to make it a reality. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span
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color:#1F497D'>We (at GHC HQ) would love to see that happen, but are not likely
to drive it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If someone, or a small group, wanted to take up the cudgels and
work on it, we’d be happy to advise. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>We’d certainly consider folding the results into the HEAD,
provided the author(s) are willing to maintain it, and we feel that the result
is comprehensible and maintainable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>But another viable route might well be to use the GHC API, which
means that the result wouldn’t be part of GHC at all, just a client of
the API. That would make it much easier to distribute upgrades etc, just
as a Cabal package.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> haskell-cafe-bounces@haskell.org
[mailto:haskell-cafe-bounces@haskell.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rick R<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 23 June 2009 14:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Haskell Cafe<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell on the iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>There seems to be quite a bit
more interest now in supporting platforms other than win/*nix on x86 these
days*. <br>
Maybe now there will be sufficient motivation to make the fundamental changes
required. Caveat: I have absolutely no idea of the scope or complexity of said
changes. I will look through the LambdaVM code (and iPwn when
available) to get an idea. <br>
<br>
Perhaps we can devote a section of Haskell Wiki to generalizing Haskell for
multiple targets? <br>
<br>
The industry has been clamoring for a unified solution to all of the mobile
platforms out there. If Haskell can provide that, it would be a huge win for
its popularity.<br>
<br>
* Thanks primarily to the iPhone and Android systems. I think currently
iPhone is swaying the most votes but Android is due to be on a dozen phones and
possibly even a netbook. (I have heard two announcements and one
cancellation with regards to the netbooks). <br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 8:34 AM, John A. De Goes <<a
href="mailto:john@n-brain.net">john@n-brain.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I have strong interest in Haskell on the JVM. Not for
Android, however.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Seems like every time this topic comes up, the consensus is
that it's not easy to support new targets with GHC, but that "work is
underway" to make such developments easier.<o:p></o:p></p>
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color:black'>John A. De Goes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>N-Brain, Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>The Evolution of Collaboration<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'><a href="http://www.n-brain.net" target="_blank">http://www.n-brain.net</a>
| 877-376-2724 x 101<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Ryan Trinkle wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Rick,<br>
<br>
I know some work has been done on JVM - iirc, Don Stewart did some work back in
the day, <cite><a
href="http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/%7Epls/thesis/dons-thesis.ps.gz"
target="_blank">www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~pls/thesis/dons-thesis.ps.gz</a></cite>,
but I'm not sure how comprehensive it is.<br>
<br>
Is anyone else interested in JVM-based Haskell targets?<br>
<br>
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Ryan<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 20:42, Rick R <<a
href="mailto:rick.richardson@gmail.com" target="_blank">rick.richardson@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>This is definitely good news! <br>
<br>
So... who's doing the Android/JVM target? ;) <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Daniel Peebles <<a
href="mailto:pumpkingod@gmail.com" target="_blank">pumpkingod@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>How exciting! I fully support the creation of a new mailing
list about<br>
iphone+haskell :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Ryan Trinkle<<a
href="mailto:ryant5000@gmail.com" target="_blank">ryant5000@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>> Dear Haskellers,<br>
><br>
> Recently, there's been a groundswell of activity in the Haskell community<br>
> regarding the Haskell's use in developing iPhone games. The iPhone
is a<br>
> powerful, innovative platform (with a great monetization scheme, to boot),<br>
> and it's not surprising that many of us would want to develop apps for it
in<br>
> our favorite language.<br>
><br>
> I am proud to announce today that my company, iPwn Studios Inc., is<br>
> currently preparing to release an open source patch to GHC that allows it
to<br>
> output binaries for iPhone OS. The patch will be released under a
BSD<br>
> license as soon as possible and hopefully integrated into the GHC
main-line<br>
> in the near future. As the first (to my knowledge) Haskell-based
game<br>
> studio, iPwn Studios is committed to giving back to the Haskell community<br>
> through open source - contributing to a rising tide that lifts us all.<br>
><br>
> I would like to take this opportunity to propose the creation of a<br>
> haskell-iphone mailing list, so that all Haskellers working with the
iPhone<br>
> - whether for profit or for pleasure - can come together to make Haskell a<br>
> force to be reckoned with in the burgeoning iPhone App marketplace.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Best wishes,<br>
> Ryan Trinkle<br>
> President, iPwn Studios Inc.<br>
><br>
> P.S.: If you wish to be involved in the preparation of the GHC patch or in<br>
> the creation of iPwn Studios' first game, don't hesitate to contact me by<br>
> email (<a href="mailto:ryant5000@gmail.com" target="_blank">ryant5000@gmail.com</a>),
AIM (RyanT5000), or IRC (RyanT5000 on<br>
> <a href="http://irc.freenode.net" target="_blank">irc.freenode.net</a>).<br>
><br>
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