<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>CAL is interesting, but unfortunately dead, and has no community.</div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Sep 27, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Peter Verswyvelen wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">That's not really true. Just use CAL from the Open Quark framework... It's almost Haskell 98, with some extras, and compiles to fast JVM code.<div><div><div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://openquark.org/Open_Quark/Welcome.html">http://openquark.org/Open_Quark/Welcome.html</a></div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://openquark.org/Open_Quark/Welcome.html"></a>They even seem to do all kinds of advanced optimizations - like converting tail calls to loops - to get good Java performance.</div><div><br></div>
<div>And they have a better record system, a graphical environment to learn it, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>So I think CAL should be in the list, and since it's basically Haskell...</div><div><br></div><div><div><div class="gmail_quote">
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 6:36 PM, John A. De Goes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john@n-brain.net">john@n-brain.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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I'm not sure what the point of your series is. No one who is using Java now commercially can move to Haskell because Haskell doesn't run on the JVM.<br>
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It makes sense to discuss Clojure, Groovy, JRuby, Scala, Fan, etc., as "next Java's", because they all run on the JVM and have seamless interop with Java. Haskell is not in this category. It's stuck in a different world, wholly inaccessible to the masses.<br>
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Regards,<br>
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John A. De Goes<br>
N-Brain, Inc.<br>
The Evolution of Collaboration<br>
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On Sep 27, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Curt Sampson wrote:<br>
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No, it's not quite what it sounds like. :-)<br>
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Stuart Halloway recently posted a series of blog entries entitled<br>
"Java.next"[1], discussing the benefits of four other languages that<br>
compile to JVM bytecode and interoperate with Java: Clojure, Groovy,<br>
JRuby, and Scala. I thought I'd put my oar in and write a parallel<br>
series comparing Haskell to these. I've finished a draft of the first<br>
posting, started on the third, and made a couple of notes on the second<br>
and fourth, and I thought I'd post the drafts[2] and solicit comments<br>
here. If you have time to read and comment, I'd greatly appreciate the<br>
help; feel free either to e-mail me privately or post here. Also feel<br>
free to forward this to anybody else you feel might be interested in<br>
commenting.<br>
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I'll probably be posting these about one per week, starting some time<br>
next week.<br>
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[1]: <a href="http://blog.thinkrelevance.com/2008/9/24/java-next-overview" target="_blank">http://blog.thinkrelevance.com/2008/9/24/java-next-overview</a><br>
[2]: <a href="http://www.starling-software.com/en/blog/drafts/2009/09/27.succ-java-summary.html" target="_blank">http://www.starling-software.com/en/blog/drafts/2009/09/27.succ-java-summary.html</a><br>
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cjs<br>
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