<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Edward,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the response. For now I don't need the performance for now but it's good to know these developments are in the pipeline. I'm not wedded to hmatrix. I think I could use repa or yarr just as easily; I just haven't investigated.</div><div><br></div><div>Dominic.</div><div><br><div><div>On 9 Apr 2013, at 23:03, Edward Kmett <<a href="mailto:ekmett@gmail.com">ekmett@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">hmatrix and ad don't (currently) mix.<div><br></div><div style="">The problem is that hmatrix uses a packed structure that can't hold any of the AD mode variants we have as an Element. =(</div><div style="">
<br></div><div style="">I've been working with Alex Lang to explore in ad 4.0 ways that we can support monomorphic AD modes and still present largely the same API. We've seen a number of performance gains off of this refactoring already, but it doesn't go far enough to address what you need.<br>
</div><div style=""><br></div><div style="">A goal a bit farther out is to support AD on vector/matrix operations, but it is a much bigger refactoring than the one currently in the pipeline. =/</div><div style=""><br></div><div style="">
To support automatic differentiation on vector-based operations in a form that works with standard BLAS-like storage like the packed matrix rep used in hmatrix we need to convert from a 'matrix of AD variables' to an 'AD mode over of matrices'. This is similar to the difference between a matrix of complex numbers and a real matrix plus an imaginary matrix.</div>
<div style=""><br></div><div style="">This is a long term goal, but not one you're likely to see support for out of 'ad' in the short term.</div><div style=""><br></div><div style=""><div>I can't build AD on hmatrix itself due in part to licensing restrictions and differing underlying storage requirements, so there are a lot of little issues in making that latter vision a reality.</div>
</div><div style=""><br></div><div style="">-Edward</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Dominic Steinitz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dominic@steinitz.org" target="_blank">dominic@steinitz.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Cafe,<br>
<br>
Suppose I want to find the grad of a function then it's easy I just<br>
use <a href="http://hackage.haskell.org/package/ad-3.4" target="_blank">http://hackage.haskell.org/package/ad-3.4</a>:<br>
<br>
import Numeric.AD<br>
import Data.Foldable (Foldable)<br>
import Data.Traversable (Traversable)<br>
<br>
data MyMatrix a = MyMatrix (a, a)<br>
deriving (Show, Functor, Foldable, Traversable)<br>
<br>
f :: Floating a => MyMatrix a -> a<br>
f (MyMatrix (x, y)) = exp $ negate $ (x^2 + y^2) / 2.0<br>
<br>
main :: IO ()<br>
main = do<br>
putStrLn $ show $ f $ MyMatrix (0.0, 0.0)<br>
putStrLn $ show $ grad f $ MyMatrix (0.0, 0.0)<br>
<br>
But now suppose I am doing some matrix calculations<br>
<a href="http://hackage.haskell.org/package/hmatrix-0.14.1.0" target="_blank">http://hackage.haskell.org/package/hmatrix-0.14.1.0</a> and I want to find<br>
the grad of a function of a matrix:<br>
<br>
import Numeric.AD<br>
import Numeric.LinearAlgebra<br>
import Data.Foldable (Foldable)<br>
import Data.Traversable (Traversable)<br>
<br>
g :: (Element a, Floating a) => Matrix a -> a<br>
g m = exp $ negate $ (x^2 + y^2) / 2.0<br>
where r = (toLists m)!!0<br>
x = r!!0<br>
y = r!!1<br>
<br>
main :: IO ()<br>
main = do<br>
putStrLn $ show $ g $ (1 >< 2) ([0.0, 0.0] :: [Double])<br>
putStrLn $ show $ grad g $ (1 >< 2) ([0.0, 0.0] :: [Double])<br>
<br>
Then I am in trouble:<br>
<br>
/Users/dom/Dropbox/Private/Whales/MyAD.hs:24:21:<br>
No instance for (Traversable Matrix) arising from a use of `grad'<br>
Possible fix: add an instance declaration for (Traversable Matrix)<br>
In the expression: grad g<br>
In the second argument of `($)', namely<br>
`grad g $ (1 >< 2) ([0.0, 0.0] :: [Double])'<br>
In the second argument of `($)', namely<br>
`show $ grad g $ (1 >< 2) ([0.0, 0.0] :: [Double])'<br>
<br>
/Users/dom/Dropbox/Private/Whales/MyAD.hs:24:26:<br>
Could not deduce (Element<br>
(ad-3.4:<a href="http://numeric.ad.internal.types.ad/" target="_blank">Numeric.AD.Internal.Types.AD</a> s Double))<br>
arising from a use of `g'<br>
from the context (Numeric.AD.Internal.Classes.Mode s)<br>
bound by a type expected by the context:<br>
Numeric.AD.Internal.Classes.Mode s =><br>
Matrix (ad-3.4:<a href="http://numeric.ad.internal.types.ad/" target="_blank">Numeric.AD.Internal.Types.AD</a> s Double)<br>
-> ad-3.4:<a href="http://numeric.ad.internal.types.ad/" target="_blank">Numeric.AD.Internal.Types.AD</a> s Double<br>
at /Users/dom/Dropbox/Private/Whales/MyAD.hs:24:21-26<br>
Possible fix:<br>
add an instance declaration for<br>
(Element (ad-3.4:<a href="http://numeric.ad.internal.types.ad/" target="_blank">Numeric.AD.Internal.Types.AD</a> s Double))<br>
In the first argument of `grad', namely `g'<br>
In the expression: grad g<br>
In the second argument of `($)', namely<br>
`grad g $ (1 >< 2) ([0.0, 0.0] :: [Double])'<br>
<br>
What are my options here? Clearly I can convert my matrix into a list<br>
(which is traversable), find the grad and convert it back into a<br>
matrix but given I am doing numerical calculations and speed is an<br>
important factor, this seems undesirable.<br>
<br>
I think I would have the same problem with:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://hackage.haskell.org/package/repa" target="_blank">http://hackage.haskell.org/package/repa</a><br>
<a href="http://hackage.haskell.org/package/yarr-1.3.1" target="_blank">http://hackage.haskell.org/package/yarr-1.3.1</a><br>
<br>
although I haven'¯t checked.<br>
<br>
Thanks, Dominic.<br>
<br>
<br>
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