<div dir="ltr">Hey Dorin,<div>I don't understand your claims.</div><div><br></div><div style>1) haskell has worked perfectly well on windows for quite some time. I used HUGs nearly a decade ago, and in more recent time (2-3 years ago) I helped teach an introductory first computer science class using GHC where many students were doing great work using notepad++ and ghci.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style> I don't understand your focus on emacs and make files.</div><div><br></div><div>2) if you want an "IDE" experience, Sublime Text with the right plugins, or perhaps EclipseFP are worth checking out. </div>
<div><br></div><div>3) likewise, if you're finding tooling on windows unsatisfactory, help fix it! Bug reports, patches, or new tools and libraries are always welcome. </div><div style>Haskell is a relatively small community, and thusly limited manpower (we're all volunteers), so way to fix any problem is help out!</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>cheers</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Dorin Lazar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dorin.lazar@gmail.com" target="_blank">dorin.lazar@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Hello,<br>
I am the original author of the post, and I finally received the<br>
emails from the mailman (probably there was an issue with the<br>
automated requests).<br>
My answers are inlined.<br>
<div><br>
> 1) Leksah should not be considered an "official haskell ide", but merely one of<br>
> many community supported editing tools. And frankly one of the less widely<br>
> used ones at that! Leksah is not used much at all by anyone, though theres<br>
> probably a handful of folks who do use it.<br>
> Many folks use editors like Sublime Tex (2/3), Emacs, Vi(m), textmate, and<br>
> many more. Its worth noting that the sublime-haskell plugin for sublime<br>
> text, and analogous packages for many other editors, provide haskell<br>
> IDE-like powers, or at least a nice subset thereof.<br>
</div> Unfortunately, I think the problem with this is that we have a<br>
different vision on how development should be done. I have extensive<br>
experience of working from console, with a simple text editor and<br>
hand-made Makefiles or anything similar. However, an IDE should be a<br>
productivity tool, that can help you improve your understanding of the<br>
language, and can assist you in following the proper syntax for a new<br>
language. While learning by doing 'write, save, compile, examine error<br>
message' is ok with me, it is slow, and it limits the time I can<br>
dedicate to learning the language itself. A better cycle is the<br>
current 'write, examine error message' of most IDEs, since it's faster<br>
and requires no context switch. Sure, editors can help there. IDEs do<br>
this by default.<br>
So it's normal of me to search for an IDE to better learn the<br>
language, I'll leave the emacs + console version for when I am<br>
productive in the language.<br>
<div><br>
> 2) There are people working on building better easily portable native gui<br>
> toolkits, but in many respects, a nice haskelly gui toolkit is still<br>
> something people are experimetning with how to do well. theres lots of great<br>
> tools out as of the past year or two, many more in progress on various time<br>
> scales, and gtk2hs is great for linux (and thats fine).<br>
</div> Unfortunately, this is not what's advertised. In fact, on the leksah<br>
site, the recommended method is to have the IDE installed via cabal.<br>
In another mail Mihai calls me unreasonable, but I think it's<br>
reasonable to think that the recommended method should be the one that<br>
works.<br>
But the easy to tell truth is that the Haskell Platform for Windows<br>
is not mature enough yet. That is something I can understand, and I<br>
can recommend other beginners to install a Linux VM for Haskell. That<br>
is perfectly fine, zero cost, 100% gain. However, the mistakes from<br>
the Haskell Platform as it is now on Windows should be pointed out,<br>
and although I've been called a mystical animal that wants only free<br>
support, I think what I had in that blog post was actually a bug<br>
report for the people that can actually add 1+1 to make 2 when it<br>
comes to the Haskell Platform for Windows. Surely, I was harsh. But<br>
that's the first experience of a beginner with Haskell, and I chose to<br>
contribute my experience to people more knowledgeable instead of<br>
shutting up and hiding the dust under the rug.<br>
<br>
Many thanks,<br>
Dorin<br>
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