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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Mark, and HP folk,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Geoff, Simon M, and I have just realised that<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">vector</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"> (which we would like to be included in HP) depends
 on <b>primitive</b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">And
<b>primitive</b> is a Terrible Name for a package.&nbsp; Really unacceptably bad.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">If you look at what’s in primitive it has a bunch of fairly simple wrappers round basic types:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Data.Primitive.Array defined (another) Array type, wrapping Array#. But it’s not the same as the Array type in Data.Array<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">There’s an Addr type, which is like the Foreign.Ptr type, but un-parameterised.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">There’s a ByteArray type, wrapping Array#<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">There’s a Prim class, with operations like sizeOf#, alignment#, and so on.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Roman is the maintainer. Roman, are you happy to be in that position?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">What should we do about this?&nbsp; There has been NO discussion of this API.&nbsp; Possibilities<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Adopt the package with a new name, like
<b>vector-prim</b> or <b>vector-internal</b>, implying that it’s for people doing vector-stuff, rather than for end users.&nbsp; (And say that in the docs.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Absorb it into the
<b>vector </b>package, which is currently its only client (we think).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Absorb it into the
<b>base</b> package.&nbsp; But we are generally trying to reduce base not increase it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">We don’t have a strong opinion, except that baking a package into HP called simply ‘primitive’ seems Wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Very sorry for not bringing this up before... only just realised<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> haskell-platform-bounces@projects.haskell.org [mailto:haskell-platform-bounces@projects.haskell.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Lentczner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 22 August 2012 15:33<br>
<b>To:</b> haskell-platform@projects.haskell.org; Haskell Libraries<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: HP 2012.4.0.0 -- Call for Proposals<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you, Yitz, for the wiki&nbsp;maintenance!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>vector</b>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<b>time-extras&nbsp;</b>- these should be updated by the proposers as they have been &quot;reproposed&quot;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>async</b>, <b>vector</b>, and <b>time-extras</b> - I think these all need to be updated to reflect the current discussion period.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While required by the process, I'd urge proposers to link to the specific version of the package under consideration. While the proposal is for inclusion of the package going forward (hence evolving versions over time), it really helps
 API discussions to pin them to a particular version. If discussion causes you to update a package, then the proposal discussion can &quot;re-<span style="color:#993399">vector</span>&quot; to the new version.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please <span style="color:#993399">split</span> discussion of particular proposals off from this thread.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lastly, just to be clear, the dates I set out are the dates by which I need proposals handled and decided in order to get the release out on schedule. The proposal process is not tied to releases, and can continue
<span style="color:#993399">aysnc</span> from release if any proposal needs <span style="color:#993399">
time-extra</span>.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;- Mark<o:p></o:p></p>
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