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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If people want Show to generate something that can be copy/pasted into a Haskell source file, that’s a legitimate position. But please let’s not call it “serialisation”!
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So we have:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Serialisation (use Binary)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Copy-pasteable into Haskell source file, but not necessarily human-readable (Show)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Human readable (Display)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It’s clearly a library-design issue whether (2) and (3) are worth separating. More classes, more code, but perhaps more expressiveness. What does the core libraries
committee think? Personally I don’t see (2) as particularly important, but my opinion counts for little since I’m not a library author.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Libraries [mailto:libraries-bounces@haskell.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Snoyman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 29 October 2014 11:02<br>
<b>To:</b> Simon Peyton Jones<br>
<b>Cc:</b> libraries<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Discussion: adding displayException to Exception class<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Simon Peyton Jones <<a href="mailto:simonpj@microsoft.com" target="_blank">simonpj@microsoft.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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As I recently commented on this list[1], the Show typeclass is overloaded with multiple meanings (serialization, debug info, and user-friendly data display). The general consensus seems to be that the official semantics for Show should be for serialization
(as paired up with Read).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Really? My instinct is otherwise:
<b>to use Show for human-readable display, and Binary for serialisation</b>. Show/Read is a terribly inefficient serialisation format; as soon as you want to do it for real you end up with Binary anyway. And Show is already well established for human-readable
purposes – that was one of its primary original purposes.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Simon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">My weak vote in that thread went towards Show for human-readable display, but there was some quite harsh objection to that position. In this thread too you can see people wanting a direct encoding of types which
can be copy-pasted into a Haskell source file. Personally, I don't see much need for that, and especially given the new ability to essentially auto-derive Binary instances (via Generic), Show/Read serialization seems fairly pointless.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nonetheless, making a proposal that doesn't enforce a changed semantics on the Show typeclass seems like the path of least resistance. If others want to jump back into the previous topic and try to hammer down the ideal usage of the Show
typeclass, I'm happy to participate in that discussion too.<br>
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Michael<o:p></o:p></p>
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