From codesite-noreply at google.com Tue Jan 1 15:29:38 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Tue Jan 1 15:23:39 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 115 in xmonad: sjanssenPP unlike defaultPP gives parsing error in xmobar if titlebar contains "{" and "}" char Message-ID: <001636e0a64a0442af050ec52be13e2@google.com> Issue 115: sjanssenPP unlike defaultPP gives parsing error in xmobar if titlebar contains "{" and "}" char http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=115 Comment #4 by byorgey: (No comment was entered for this change.) Issue attribute updates: Status: Invalid -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Tue Jan 1 15:29:38 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Tue Jan 1 15:23:39 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 115 in xmonad: sjanssenPP unlike defaultPP gives parsing error in xmobar if titlebar contains "{" and "}" char Message-ID: <001636e0a64a0442af050ec52be13e2@google.com> Issue 115: sjanssenPP unlike defaultPP gives parsing error in xmobar if titlebar contains "{" and "}" char http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=115 Comment #4 by byorgey: (No comment was entered for this change.) Issue attribute updates: Status: Invalid -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Tue Jan 1 15:33:38 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Tue Jan 1 15:27:40 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 66 in xmonad: Component-Contrib ResizeableTile can put clients of screen and resize them bigger than screen. Message-ID: <000e0cd14ed80442af135fe7fae0fce@google.com> Issue 66: Component-Contrib ResizeableTile can put clients of screen and resize them bigger than screen. http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=66 Comment #2 by byorgey: I'm marking this defect as invalid for now since I can't reproduce it (I also use ResizableTile all the time and have never seen this behavior). If additional details can be provided showing how to reproduce it, we can reopen it later. Issue attribute updates: Status: Invalid -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Tue Jan 1 15:33:38 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Tue Jan 1 15:27:40 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 66 in xmonad: Component-Contrib ResizeableTile can put clients of screen and resize them bigger than screen. Message-ID: <000e0cd14ed80442af135fe7fae0fce@google.com> Issue 66: Component-Contrib ResizeableTile can put clients of screen and resize them bigger than screen. http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=66 Comment #2 by byorgey: I'm marking this defect as invalid for now since I can't reproduce it (I also use ResizableTile all the time and have never seen this behavior). If additional details can be provided showing how to reproduce it, we can reopen it later. Issue attribute updates: Status: Invalid -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From daveroundy at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 20:19:31 2008 From: daveroundy at gmail.com (David Roundy) Date: Tue Jan 1 20:13:31 2008 Subject: [xmonad] gnome-panel not seen as dock? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <117f2cc80801011719m6398e3d1s16186f8a9d3e69d5@mail.gmail.com> Do you have avoidStruts in your layout? On Dec 31, 2007 3:22 PM, Jevin Maltais wrote: > My understanding is that with ManageDocks, the defaultgaps is no > longer required so I don't have it in my xmonad.hs. From the > XMonad.Hooks.ManageDocks doc: ".. The second component is a layout > modifier that prevents windows from overlapping these dock windows. It > is intended to replace xmonad's so-called gap support. First, you must > add it to your list of layouts ...". I could be wrong though. From daveroundy at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 20:23:42 2008 From: daveroundy at gmail.com (David Roundy) Date: Tue Jan 1 20:17:44 2008 Subject: [xmonad] darcs patch: Add ShowWName a layout modifier to show the workspace... In-Reply-To: <20071230222847.GC6711@laptop.nowhere.net> References: <200712281836.lBSIa6hv032099@laptop.nowhere.net> <20071229185234.GU11036@darcs.net> <20071230132927.GA6711@laptop.nowhere.net> <20071230213645.GY11036@darcs.net> <20071230215743.GZ11036@darcs.net> <20071230222847.GC6711@laptop.nowhere.net> Message-ID: <117f2cc80801011723h312c6250j96acbf75fc055db0@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 30, 2007 5:28 PM, Andrea Rossato wrote: > On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 04:57:47PM -0500, David Roundy wrote: > > We could fork a process that waits one second and then uses XSendEvent() to > > send a message to the other, and then exits. This seems reasonably > > elegant. It avoids the need for an external binary, it's moderately > > efficient (probably more so than execing a new binary), and we could even > > encapsulate it in a simple function. > > > The problem is that the forked thread will be blocked too as long as > the main thread is blocked by XNextEvent. But I didn't suggest to fork a thread, but rather a process. And that's something that ghc's stupidity can't affect. It's somewhat inefficient, but more elegant (and more efficient) than shipping extra binaries. David From codesite-noreply at google.com Wed Jan 2 09:29:28 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Wed Jan 2 09:23:32 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 97 in xmonad: xmonad stops responding to keyboard input after running xscreensaver Message-ID: <00163646d90c0442be1adf254d3b4854@google.com> Issue 97: xmonad stops responding to keyboard input after running xscreensaver http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=97 Comment #3 by Adr3nalD0S: I have been seeing something very similar lately. Xscreensaver is configured to require a password after a minute. Before that happens I can jiggle the mouse and happily return to my desktop, where all is well. But, once it reaches the point of needing to prompt me, I am in trouble. I can enter my password and get back to Xmonad, but at this point it does not respond to key presses. However, as previously reported Ctrl+Alt+Backspace will exit X. There is another way I can get out of this situation. I have two monitors in a side-by-side configuration and I have an application running on both monitors, I can move the mouse from one to the other and back, focus-follows-mouse will switch the focus between the windows, At this point, Xmonad begins responding to keypresses again. But, if I only have one application on a single monitor, then I cannot get Xmonad to respond. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Wed Jan 2 09:29:28 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Wed Jan 2 09:23:33 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 97 in xmonad: xmonad stops responding to keyboard input after running xscreensaver Message-ID: <00163646d90c0442be1adf254d3b4854@google.com> Issue 97: xmonad stops responding to keyboard input after running xscreensaver http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=97 Comment #3 by Adr3nalD0S: I have been seeing something very similar lately. Xscreensaver is configured to require a password after a minute. Before that happens I can jiggle the mouse and happily return to my desktop, where all is well. But, once it reaches the point of needing to prompt me, I am in trouble. I can enter my password and get back to Xmonad, but at this point it does not respond to key presses. However, as previously reported Ctrl+Alt+Backspace will exit X. There is another way I can get out of this situation. I have two monitors in a side-by-side configuration and I have an application running on both monitors, I can move the mouse from one to the other and back, focus-follows-mouse will switch the focus between the windows, At this point, Xmonad begins responding to keypresses again. But, if I only have one application on a single monitor, then I cannot get Xmonad to respond. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Wed Jan 2 10:08:27 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Wed Jan 2 10:02:25 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 97 in xmonad: xmonad stops responding to keyboard input after running xscreensaver Message-ID: <00163646c7b60442bea63fc3ee3b5e9b@google.com> Issue 97: xmonad stops responding to keyboard input after running xscreensaver http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=97 Comment #4 by byorgey: Maybe this has something to do with an application grabbing the keyboard and then for some reason not giving it back properly? I don't really understand all the issues involved, just a thought. And I'm not sure how (or if) this could be fixed. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Wed Jan 2 10:08:27 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Wed Jan 2 10:02:25 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 97 in xmonad: xmonad stops responding to keyboard input after running xscreensaver Message-ID: <00163646c7b60442bea63fc3ee3b5e9b@google.com> Issue 97: xmonad stops responding to keyboard input after running xscreensaver http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=97 Comment #4 by byorgey: Maybe this has something to do with an application grabbing the keyboard and then for some reason not giving it back properly? I don't really understand all the issues involved, just a thought. And I'm not sure how (or if) this could be fixed. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Wed Jan 2 17:28:12 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Wed Jan 2 17:22:10 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 97 in xmonad: xmonad stops responding to keyboard input after running xscreensaver Message-ID: <00163646d2300442c4caf1ca6e3cee97@google.com> Issue 97: xmonad stops responding to keyboard input after running xscreensaver http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=97 Comment #5 by tim.thelion: I use xscreensaver with password locking and have never seen this issue. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Wed Jan 2 17:28:12 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Wed Jan 2 17:22:20 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 97 in xmonad: xmonad stops responding to keyboard input after running xscreensaver Message-ID: <00163646d2300442c4caf1ca6e3cee97@google.com> Issue 97: xmonad stops responding to keyboard input after running xscreensaver http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=97 Comment #5 by tim.thelion: I use xscreensaver with password locking and have never seen this issue. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Wed Jan 2 22:23:56 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Wed Jan 2 22:17:53 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 116 in xmonad: Updates the EDSL for defining ManageHooks Message-ID: <00163646d7ec0442c8ec94c98fae02@google.com> Issue 116: Updates the EDSL for defining ManageHooks http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=116 New issue report by loupgaroublond: Please provide any additional information below. This patch expands considerably the number of tricks you can do in writing ManageHooks. It does not modify the core at all. If this error is due to a module from XMonadContrib, please tag this issue with 'Component-Contrib' below. Attachments: better.edsl.patch 13.1 KB Issue attributes: Status: New Owner: ---- Labels: Type-Defect Priority-Medium -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Wed Jan 2 22:23:56 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Wed Jan 2 22:17:54 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 116 in xmonad: Updates the EDSL for defining ManageHooks Message-ID: <00163646d7ec0442c8ec94c98fae02@google.com> Issue 116: Updates the EDSL for defining ManageHooks http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=116 New issue report by loupgaroublond: Please provide any additional information below. This patch expands considerably the number of tricks you can do in writing ManageHooks. It does not modify the core at all. If this error is due to a module from XMonadContrib, please tag this issue with 'Component-Contrib' below. Attachments: better.edsl.patch 13.1 KB Issue attributes: Status: New Owner: ---- Labels: Type-Defect Priority-Medium -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From dons at galois.com Thu Jan 3 02:15:01 2008 From: dons at galois.com (Don Stewart) Date: Thu Jan 3 02:09:51 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Setup.lhs: xmonad.cabal:25: 'Executable' stanza starting ... In-Reply-To: <1198581982.3963.4.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net> References: <1198581982.3963.4.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net> Message-ID: <20080103071501.GE2806@scytale.galois.com> Have you received any Debian testers for these, Joachim? nomeata: > Hi, > > feel free to try the debian packages here: > > http://people.debian.org/~nomeata/xmonad/ > > The should probably work on ubuntu as well. If not, let me know and we > can work it out. I also haven?t packaged the contribs yet, but I?ll do > that (faster if I know people wait for them) > > Greetings, > Joachim > > > Am Montag, den 24.12.2007, 18:30 -0500 schrieb Jevin Maltais: > > Hi and Merry Christmas! I'm trying to get xmonad working on my Ubuntu > > Gusty install. I'm getting ideas from this link on how to install it > > (it's only for xmonad 0.4): > > http://erl.nfshost.com/wordpress/2007/11/02/installing-xmonad-on-ubuntu-gutsy/ > > > > So for mtl-1.1.0 and X11-1.4.1 I do: > > sudo runhaskell Setup.* configure; > > runhaskell Setup.* build > > sudo runhaskell Setup.* install; > > > > For and xmonad-0.5 I do: > > pushd xmonad-0.5/; > > runhaskell Setup.* configure --prefix=$HOME --user; > > runhaskell Setup.* build > > runhaskell Setup.* install > > > > I get the following error for each of the "runhaskell" lines in the > > xmond-0.5 dir: > > Setup.lhs: xmonad.cabal:25: 'Executable' stanza starting with field > > 'flag small_base > > description' > > > > Here is the output of "ghc-pkg list" > > /usr/lib/ghc-6.6.1/package.conf: > > Cabal-1.1.6.2, X11-1.4.1, base-2.1.1, filepath-1.0, (ghc-6.6.1), > > haskell98-1.0, mtl-1.0.1, mtl-1.1.0.0, parsec-2.0, readline-1.0, > > regex-base-0.72, regex-compat-0.71, regex-posix-0.71, rts-1.0, > > stm-2.0, template-haskell-2.1, unix-2.1 > > > > Any ideas? > > Jevin > > -- > Joachim "nomeata" Breitner > Debian Developer > nomeata@debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C > JID: nomeata@joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata > _______________________________________________ > xmonad mailing list > xmonad@haskell.org > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/xmonad > From codesite-noreply at google.com Thu Jan 3 02:16:13 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Thu Jan 3 02:10:09 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 12 in xmonad: Support _NET_WM_STRUT property for status bar programs Message-ID: <00163646c7b60442cc2b3ddb7d3de2e6@google.com> Issue 12: Support _NET_WM_STRUT property for status bar programs http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=12 Comment #16 by SpencerJanssen: AvoidStruts still has a few issues: * it scans all top level windows on every refresh -- a performance bug waiting to happen * we don't correctly subscribe to property events on dock windows, so the detected gap isn't always accurate * avoidstruts are toggled per workspace, rather than per screen (whether this is good or bad is debatable) * with core gaps, each edge can be toggled independently, not so with avoidstruts We can consider removing gaps when these issues are resolved. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Thu Jan 3 02:16:13 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Thu Jan 3 02:10:09 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 12 in xmonad: Support _NET_WM_STRUT property for status bar programs Message-ID: <00163646c7b60442cc2b3ddb7d3de2e6@google.com> Issue 12: Support _NET_WM_STRUT property for status bar programs http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=12 Comment #16 by SpencerJanssen: AvoidStruts still has a few issues: * it scans all top level windows on every refresh -- a performance bug waiting to happen * we don't correctly subscribe to property events on dock windows, so the detected gap isn't always accurate * avoidstruts are toggled per workspace, rather than per screen (whether this is good or bad is debatable) * with core gaps, each edge can be toggled independently, not so with avoidstruts We can consider removing gaps when these issues are resolved. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Thu Jan 3 03:07:15 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Thu Jan 3 03:01:10 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 117 in xmonad: composite support? Message-ID: <0016364590580442cce1c47bdbf029@google.com> Issue 117: composite support? http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=117 New issue report by roberth.sjonoy: xmonad should get optional composite support through use of libxcomposite. It should be able to make unfocused windows transparent etc, real transparency for consoles and shadows. Issue attributes: Status: New Owner: ---- Labels: Type-Defect Priority-Medium -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Thu Jan 3 03:07:15 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Thu Jan 3 03:01:11 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 117 in xmonad: composite support? Message-ID: <0016364590580442cce1c47bdbf029@google.com> Issue 117: composite support? http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=117 New issue report by roberth.sjonoy: xmonad should get optional composite support through use of libxcomposite. It should be able to make unfocused windows transparent etc, real transparency for consoles and shadows. Issue attributes: Status: New Owner: ---- Labels: Type-Defect Priority-Medium -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Thu Jan 3 12:40:59 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Thu Jan 3 12:34:54 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 12 in xmonad: Support _NET_WM_STRUT property for status bar programs Message-ID: <000e0cd28d4a0442d4e5967eb810622a@google.com> Issue 12: Support _NET_WM_STRUT property for status bar programs http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=12 Comment #17 by loupgaroublond: * avoidstruts are toggled per workspace, rather than per screen (whether this is good or bad is debatable) It makes more sense to me, the way it is, and I have my config set up even to do ToggleStruts on a per Layout*Workspace basis. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Thu Jan 3 12:40:59 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Thu Jan 3 12:34:54 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 12 in xmonad: Support _NET_WM_STRUT property for status bar programs Message-ID: <000e0cd28d4a0442d4e5967eb810622a@google.com> Issue 12: Support _NET_WM_STRUT property for status bar programs http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=12 Comment #17 by loupgaroublond: * avoidstruts are toggled per workspace, rather than per screen (whether this is good or bad is debatable) It makes more sense to me, the way it is, and I have my config set up even to do ToggleStruts on a per Layout*Workspace basis. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Thu Jan 3 14:07:42 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Thu Jan 3 14:01:45 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 19 in xmonad: Investigate a way to allow contrib extensions to use compositing. Message-ID: <000e0cd20f6e0442d61bb90ddf302e6b@google.com> Issue 19: Investigate a way to allow contrib extensions to use compositing. http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=19 Comment #5 by dons00: > roberth.sjonoy, xmonad should get optional composite support through use of libxcomposite. It should be able to make unfocused windows transparent etc, real transparency for consoles and shadows. Issue attribute updates: Status: Accepted Labels: Component-Contrib -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Thu Jan 3 14:07:42 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Thu Jan 3 14:01:48 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 19 in xmonad: Investigate a way to allow contrib extensions to use compositing. Message-ID: <000e0cd20f6e0442d61bb90ddf302e6b@google.com> Issue 19: Investigate a way to allow contrib extensions to use compositing. http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=19 Comment #5 by dons00: > roberth.sjonoy, xmonad should get optional composite support through use of libxcomposite. It should be able to make unfocused windows transparent etc, real transparency for consoles and shadows. Issue attribute updates: Status: Accepted Labels: Component-Contrib -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Thu Jan 3 14:11:42 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Thu Jan 3 14:05:44 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 117 in xmonad: composite support? Message-ID: <000e0cd22cd80442d62a0d03ea303370@google.com> Issue 117: composite support? http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=117 Comment #1 by dons00: Duplicate of #19, http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=19&can=1&q=compositing which i've reopened. To make progress on this, we need someone to identify the basic compositing api, so we can do a haskell binding to it, and work out if a compositing hook is needed for xmonad. Once the api is identified, everything else should be easy. We just need that initial groundwork done. Issue attribute updates: Status: Duplicate -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Thu Jan 3 14:11:42 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Thu Jan 3 14:05:46 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 117 in xmonad: composite support? Message-ID: <000e0cd22cd80442d62a0d03ea303370@google.com> Issue 117: composite support? http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=117 Comment #1 by dons00: Duplicate of #19, http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=19&can=1&q=compositing which i've reopened. To make progress on this, we need someone to identify the basic compositing api, so we can do a haskell binding to it, and work out if a compositing hook is needed for xmonad. Once the api is identified, everything else should be easy. We just need that initial groundwork done. Issue attribute updates: Status: Duplicate -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From dons at galois.com Thu Jan 3 14:34:43 2008 From: dons at galois.com (Don Stewart) Date: Thu Jan 3 14:28:57 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Ubuntu packages available In-Reply-To: <20071228201158.GB31885@darksigil.darksigil.com> References: <20071228201158.GB31885@darksigil.darksigil.com> Message-ID: <20080103193443.GH4775@scytale.galois.com> xmonad: > I created Ubuntu Gutsy packages from nomeata?s Debian > packages, for both i386 and amd64. You can get them from > nomeata?s site, > http://people.debian.org/~nomeata/xmonad/gutsy/ . (Until the > amd64 packages are there, you can download them at > http://hethrael.com/xmonad/ .) > > I don?t know what will happen if you install them and have a > self-compiled version installed too; I uninstalled X11, > xmonad, and xmonad-contrib before installing them. Great work. When can we expect to see xmonad 0.5 in ubuntu unstable? http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/source/xmonad ? From dons at galois.com Thu Jan 3 14:40:12 2008 From: dons at galois.com (Don Stewart) Date: Thu Jan 3 14:34:17 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Xmonad 0.5 + Gnome In-Reply-To: <6831D834-8C6A-45D8-8EDF-2F7BE60C0F7F@ece.cmu.edu> References: <6831D834-8C6A-45D8-8EDF-2F7BE60C0F7F@ece.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <20080103194012.GI4775@scytale.galois.com> allbery: > > On Dec 29, 2007, at 23:47 , Jevin Maltais wrote: > > >So I'd like to be Xmonad to replace metacity in gnome. I've read (and > >tried) the instructions over at: http://xmonad.org/gnome.html which is > >a great write-up. Unfortunately however, I just can't get it to fly > >with gnome. > > > >setting WINDOW_MANGER="/home/jevin/bin/xmonad" gets me gnome + xmonad > >but the gnome-panel is why weird on workspace 1 and simply does not > >appear on the other workspaces. Attached is the result. > > The instructions are out of date; use the EwmhDesktops extension if > you want to run a panel or dock, whether Gnome, KDE, or standalone. > (defaultGaps and the manageHook were a bit of a hack and broke if > e.g. the panel tried to display a dialog box; EwmhDesktops does it > correctly.) Can someone familiar with gnome either update that document, or move its contents to the wiki, so it can be updated by others, then? -- Don From allbery at ece.cmu.edu Thu Jan 3 15:20:44 2008 From: allbery at ece.cmu.edu (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH) Date: Thu Jan 3 15:14:38 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Xmonad 0.5 + Gnome In-Reply-To: <20080103194012.GI4775@scytale.galois.com> References: <6831D834-8C6A-45D8-8EDF-2F7BE60C0F7F@ece.cmu.edu> <20080103194012.GI4775@scytale.galois.com> Message-ID: On Jan 3, 2008, at 14:40 , Don Stewart wrote: > allbery: >> >> On Dec 29, 2007, at 23:47 , Jevin Maltais wrote: >> >>> The instructions are out of date; use the EwmhDesktops extension if >> you want to run a panel or dock, whether Gnome, KDE, or >> standalone. \ I should mention this was only half right; also need ManageDocks extension. (What can I say, I don't run Gnome, nor do I run fancy panels in xmonad :) -- brandon s. allbery [solaris,freebsd,perl,pugs,haskell] allbery@kf8nh.com system administrator [openafs,heimdal,too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering, carnegie mellon university KF8NH From jevin at techie.com Thu Jan 3 16:25:05 2008 From: jevin at techie.com (Jevin Maltais) Date: Thu Jan 3 16:19:03 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Ubuntu packages available In-Reply-To: <20080103193443.GH4775@scytale.galois.com> References: <20071228201158.GB31885@darksigil.darksigil.com> <20080103193443.GH4775@scytale.galois.com> Message-ID: I tried out lithis' packages and the work dandy. I'm on Gusty Gibbon. Jevin On Jan 3, 2008 2:34 PM, Don Stewart wrote: > xmonad: > > I created Ubuntu Gutsy packages from nomeata's Debian > > packages, for both i386 and amd64. You can get them from > > nomeata's site, > > http://people.debian.org/~nomeata/xmonad/gutsy/ . (Until the > > amd64 packages are there, you can download them at > > http://hethrael.com/xmonad/ .) > > > > I don't know what will happen if you install them and have a > > self-compiled version installed too; I uninstalled X11, > > xmonad, and xmonad-contrib before installing them. > > Great work. When can we expect to see xmonad 0.5 in ubuntu unstable? > > http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/source/xmonad > > > ? > _______________________________________________ > xmonad mailing list > xmonad@haskell.org > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/xmonad > > -- Jevin Maltais [jevin@techie.com] http://jevy.org From codesite-noreply at google.com Thu Jan 3 17:05:09 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Thu Jan 3 16:59:04 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 19 in xmonad: Investigate a way to allow contrib extensions to use compositing. Message-ID: <00163646d1360442d89651da102d985@google.com> Issue 19: Investigate a way to allow contrib extensions to use compositing. http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=19 Comment #6 by thayerw: > tiling, compositing wm would probably take a big chunk of the tiling wm market. I just want to second this. I think there is huge potential in having a composite tiled environment, in terms of both specials *and* usability. It has been mentioned elsewhere, but some of the possibilities include: * zoom in/out inactive windows instead of resizing the viewport * zoom in to maximize or partially maximize a client over the top of other clients * Flip 3D style rotation of clients * quickly view all workspaces with an expo-style overlay IMHO drop shadows are superficial when compared to the real enhancements in usability this could provide. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Thu Jan 3 17:05:09 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Thu Jan 3 16:59:12 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 19 in xmonad: Investigate a way to allow contrib extensions to use compositing. Message-ID: <00163646d1360442d89651da102d985@google.com> Issue 19: Investigate a way to allow contrib extensions to use compositing. http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=19 Comment #6 by thayerw: > tiling, compositing wm would probably take a big chunk of the tiling wm market. I just want to second this. I think there is huge potential in having a composite tiled environment, in terms of both specials *and* usability. It has been mentioned elsewhere, but some of the possibilities include: * zoom in/out inactive windows instead of resizing the viewport * zoom in to maximize or partially maximize a client over the top of other clients * Flip 3D style rotation of clients * quickly view all workspaces with an expo-style overlay IMHO drop shadows are superficial when compared to the real enhancements in usability this could provide. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Thu Jan 3 17:09:09 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Thu Jan 3 17:03:03 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 19 in xmonad: Investigate a way to allow contrib extensions to use compositing. Message-ID: <00163646c5a80442d8a4a484843fdc02@google.com> Issue 19: Investigate a way to allow contrib extensions to use compositing. http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=19 Comment #7 by thayerw: > tiling, compositing wm would probably take a big chunk of the tiling wm market. I just want to second this. I think there is huge potential in having a composite tiled environment, in terms of both special fx *and* usability. It has been mentioned elsewhere, but some of the possibilities include: * zoom in/out inactive windows instead of resizing the viewport * zoom in to maximize or partially maximize a client over the top of other clients * Flip 3D style rotation of clients * quickly view all workspaces with an expo-style overlay IMHO drop shadows are superficial when compared to the real enhancements in usability this could provide. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Thu Jan 3 17:09:09 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Thu Jan 3 17:03:03 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 19 in xmonad: Investigate a way to allow contrib extensions to use compositing. Message-ID: <00163646c5a80442d8a4a484843fdc02@google.com> Issue 19: Investigate a way to allow contrib extensions to use compositing. http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=19 Comment #7 by thayerw: > tiling, compositing wm would probably take a big chunk of the tiling wm market. I just want to second this. I think there is huge potential in having a composite tiled environment, in terms of both special fx *and* usability. It has been mentioned elsewhere, but some of the possibilities include: * zoom in/out inactive windows instead of resizing the viewport * zoom in to maximize or partially maximize a client over the top of other clients * Flip 3D style rotation of clients * quickly view all workspaces with an expo-style overlay IMHO drop shadows are superficial when compared to the real enhancements in usability this could provide. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From byorgey at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 17:18:06 2008 From: byorgey at gmail.com (Brent Yorgey) Date: Thu Jan 3 17:12:00 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist Message-ID: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I was just talking with cce in #xmonad, who suggested that it would be nice if xmonad, when starting up, checked for the presence of xmonad.hs in ~/.xmonad/ and installed the template xmonad.hs if it's not there. Especially for those installing xmonad via a packaged distribution, it may not be immediately obvious how to start configuring xmonad, where to put xmonad.hs, and so on. I thought I'd run this idea by the list to see what people think before I implement it... perhaps there's a good reason it doesn't do this already. -Brent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/xmonad/attachments/20080103/a78285be/attachment.htm From dons at galois.com Thu Jan 3 17:19:23 2008 From: dons at galois.com (Don Stewart) Date: Thu Jan 3 17:13:18 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist In-Reply-To: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080103221923.GL4775@scytale.galois.com> byorgey: > Hi all, > > I was just talking with cce in #xmonad, who suggested that it would be > nice if xmonad, when starting up, checked for the presence of xmonad.hs in > ~/.xmonad/ and installed the template xmonad.hs if it's not there. > Especially for those installing xmonad via a packaged distribution, it may > not be immediately obvious how to start configuring xmonad, where to put > xmonad.hs, and so on. I thought I'd run this idea by the list to see what > people think before I implement it... perhaps there's a good reason it > doesn't do this already. well, a lot of other apps don't put stub config files in, vim/mutt/ion etc. they instead document what needs to be done. -- Don From jevin at techie.com Thu Jan 3 17:53:15 2008 From: jevin at techie.com (Jevin Maltais) Date: Thu Jan 3 17:47:09 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Xmonad 0.5 + Gnome In-Reply-To: <20080103194012.GI4775@scytale.galois.com> References: <6831D834-8C6A-45D8-8EDF-2F7BE60C0F7F@ece.cmu.edu> <20080103194012.GI4775@scytale.galois.com> Message-ID: I would be happy to write the update. The only issue is that I still don't have it working properly! I seems like something is taking over the desktop. Anything launched with dmenu flashes onto the screen but disappears. I can see it in Gnome's workspace thumbnail but not on the screen. If I change to workspace two or three, I can control windows no problems. Really weird. Any ideas? I have basically done the configs specified for both EwmhDesktops and ManageDocks. Again, I get this working, I will make a patch (or a wiki page?) for the xmonad.org/gnome.html. Cheers, Jevin On Jan 3, 2008 2:40 PM, Don Stewart wrote: > allbery: > > > > On Dec 29, 2007, at 23:47 , Jevin Maltais wrote: > > > > >So I'd like to be Xmonad to replace metacity in gnome. I've read (and > > >tried) the instructions over at: http://xmonad.org/gnome.html which is > > >a great write-up. Unfortunately however, I just can't get it to fly > > >with gnome. > > > > > >setting WINDOW_MANGER="/home/jevin/bin/xmonad" gets me gnome + xmonad > > >but the gnome-panel is why weird on workspace 1 and simply does not > > >appear on the other workspaces. Attached is the result. > > > > The instructions are out of date; use the EwmhDesktops extension if > > you want to run a panel or dock, whether Gnome, KDE, or standalone. > > (defaultGaps and the manageHook were a bit of a hack and broke if > > e.g. the panel tried to display a dialog box; EwmhDesktops does it > > correctly.) > > Can someone familiar with gnome either update that document, > or move its contents to the wiki, so it can be updated by others, then? > > -- Don > > -- Jevin Maltais [jevin@techie.com] http://jevy.org From droundy at darcs.net Thu Jan 3 18:08:59 2008 From: droundy at darcs.net (David Roundy) Date: Thu Jan 3 18:02:53 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist In-Reply-To: <20080103221923.GL4775@scytale.galois.com> References: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> <20080103221923.GL4775@scytale.galois.com> Message-ID: <20080103230859.GJ11036@darcs.net> On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 02:19:23PM -0800, Don Stewart wrote: > byorgey: > > I was just talking with cce in #xmonad, who suggested that it would be > > nice if xmonad, when starting up, checked for the presence of xmonad.hs in > > ~/.xmonad/ and installed the template xmonad.hs if it's not there. > > Especially for those installing xmonad via a packaged distribution, it may > > not be immediately obvious how to start configuring xmonad, where to put > > xmonad.hs, and so on. I thought I'd run this idea by the list to see what > > people think before I implement it... perhaps there's a good reason it > > doesn't do this already. > > well, a lot of other apps don't put stub config files in, vim/mutt/ion > etc. they instead document what needs to be done. True, but it still sounds like a nice idea to me. It wouldn't hurt to be more friendly than other programs. -- David Roundy Department of Physics Oregon State University From jevin at techie.com Thu Jan 3 18:50:45 2008 From: jevin at techie.com (Jevin Maltais) Date: Thu Jan 3 18:44:39 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Xmonad 0.5 + Gnome In-Reply-To: References: <6831D834-8C6A-45D8-8EDF-2F7BE60C0F7F@ece.cmu.edu> <20080103194012.GI4775@scytale.galois.com> Message-ID: I started on an xmonad 0.5 + gnome. Open to feedback. http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_Gnome On Jan 3, 2008 5:53 PM, Jevin Maltais wrote: > I would be happy to write the update. The only issue is that I still > don't have it working properly! I seems like something is taking over > the desktop. Anything launched with dmenu flashes onto the screen but > disappears. I can see it in Gnome's workspace thumbnail but not on > the screen. If I change to workspace two or three, I can control > windows no problems. Really weird. Any ideas? > > I have basically done the configs specified for both EwmhDesktops and > ManageDocks. > > Again, I get this working, I will make a patch (or a wiki page?) for > the xmonad.org/gnome.html. > > Cheers, > Jevin > > > On Jan 3, 2008 2:40 PM, Don Stewart wrote: > > allbery: > > > > > > On Dec 29, 2007, at 23:47 , Jevin Maltais wrote: > > > > > > >So I'd like to be Xmonad to replace metacity in gnome. I've read (and > > > >tried) the instructions over at: http://xmonad.org/gnome.html which is > > > >a great write-up. Unfortunately however, I just can't get it to fly > > > >with gnome. > > > > > > > >setting WINDOW_MANGER="/home/jevin/bin/xmonad" gets me gnome + xmonad > > > >but the gnome-panel is why weird on workspace 1 and simply does not > > > >appear on the other workspaces. Attached is the result. > > > > > > The instructions are out of date; use the EwmhDesktops extension if > > > you want to run a panel or dock, whether Gnome, KDE, or standalone. > > > (defaultGaps and the manageHook were a bit of a hack and broke if > > > e.g. the panel tried to display a dialog box; EwmhDesktops does it > > > correctly.) > > > > Can someone familiar with gnome either update that document, > > or move its contents to the wiki, so it can be updated by others, then? > > > > -- Don > > > > > > > > > -- > Jevin Maltais [jevin@techie.com] > http://jevy.org > -- Jevin Maltais [jevin@techie.com] http://jevy.org From allbery at ece.cmu.edu Thu Jan 3 20:16:58 2008 From: allbery at ece.cmu.edu (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH) Date: Thu Jan 3 20:10:54 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist In-Reply-To: <20080103221923.GL4775@scytale.galois.com> References: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> <20080103221923.GL4775@scytale.galois.com> Message-ID: On Jan 3, 2008, at 17:19 , Don Stewart wrote: > well, a lot of other apps don't put stub config files in, vim/mutt/ion > etc. they instead document what needs to be done. As a counterexample, last I checked Pine did copy in a default config. -- brandon s. allbery [solaris,freebsd,perl,pugs,haskell] allbery@kf8nh.com system administrator [openafs,heimdal,too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering, carnegie mellon university KF8NH From dons at galois.com Thu Jan 3 20:19:01 2008 From: dons at galois.com (Don Stewart) Date: Thu Jan 3 20:12:58 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist In-Reply-To: References: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> <20080103221923.GL4775@scytale.galois.com> Message-ID: <20080104011901.GO4775@scytale.galois.com> allbery: > > On Jan 3, 2008, at 17:19 , Don Stewart wrote: > > >well, a lot of other apps don't put stub config files in, vim/mutt/ion > >etc. they instead document what needs to be done. > > As a counterexample, last I checked Pine did copy in a default config. So I'm open to the idea, but need a good story for how to avoid *requiring* ghc at runtime. At the moment, as soon as you create a config file, xmonad will try to compile it. If you never customise xmonad, then that runtime dependency isn't required. But maybe that doesn't matter? -- Don From allbery at ece.cmu.edu Thu Jan 3 20:30:32 2008 From: allbery at ece.cmu.edu (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH) Date: Thu Jan 3 20:24:28 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist In-Reply-To: <20080104011901.GO4775@scytale.galois.com> References: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> <20080103221923.GL4775@scytale.galois.com> <20080104011901.GO4775@scytale.galois.com> Message-ID: <7D13297E-9569-4E4D-ACAD-3E5F57E0A8A6@ece.cmu.edu> On Jan 3, 2008, at 20:19 , Don Stewart wrote: > allbery: >> >> On Jan 3, 2008, at 17:19 , Don Stewart wrote: >> >>> well, a lot of other apps don't put stub config files in, vim/ >>> mutt/ion >>> etc. they instead document what needs to be done. >> >> As a counterexample, last I checked Pine did copy in a default >> config. > > So I'm open to the idea, but need a good story for how to > avoid *requiring* ghc at runtime. At the moment, as soon as > you create a config file, xmonad will try to compile it. > > If you never customise xmonad, then that runtime dependency isn't > required. But maybe that doesn't matter? I am inclined to think that, unless we provide some common "canned" configurations precompiled (e.g. ManageDocks + EwmhWindows for people who want to use panels) or some way to build such configurations without recompiling, users *will* do runtime configuration that requires ghc. -- brandon s. allbery [solaris,freebsd,perl,pugs,haskell] allbery@kf8nh.com system administrator [openafs,heimdal,too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering, carnegie mellon university KF8NH From codesite-noreply at google.com Fri Jan 4 12:04:57 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Fri Jan 4 11:58:51 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 82 in xmonad: Gaps moved to contrib Message-ID: <0016e64af3560442e8828f650c419331@google.com> Issue 82: Gaps moved to contrib http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=82 Comment #3 by dons00: Any objections to moving the basic gap handling into a layout? The case for hardcoded gaps in the core seems less compelling now there's EWHM support in other contribs. Issue attribute updates: Summary: Gaps moved to contrib Labels: -Type-Defect Type-Enhancement -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Fri Jan 4 12:04:57 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Fri Jan 4 11:58:52 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 82 in xmonad: Gaps moved to contrib Message-ID: <0016e64af3560442e8828f650c419331@google.com> Issue 82: Gaps moved to contrib http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=82 Comment #3 by dons00: Any objections to moving the basic gap handling into a layout? The case for hardcoded gaps in the core seems less compelling now there's EWHM support in other contribs. Issue attribute updates: Summary: Gaps moved to contrib Labels: -Type-Defect Type-Enhancement -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From byorgey at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 13:12:26 2008 From: byorgey at gmail.com (Brent Yorgey) Date: Fri Jan 4 13:06:19 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist In-Reply-To: <20080104011901.GO4775@scytale.galois.com> References: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> <20080103221923.GL4775@scytale.galois.com> <20080104011901.GO4775@scytale.galois.com> Message-ID: <22fcbd520801041012m51930879vbb880e0f698c0006@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 3, 2008 8:19 PM, Don Stewart wrote: > allbery: > > > > On Jan 3, 2008, at 17:19 , Don Stewart wrote: > > > > >well, a lot of other apps don't put stub config files in, vim/mutt/ion > > >etc. they instead document what needs to be done. > > > > As a counterexample, last I checked Pine did copy in a default config. > > So I'm open to the idea, but need a good story for how to > avoid *requiring* ghc at runtime. At the moment, as soon as > you create a config file, xmonad will try to compile it. > > If you never customise xmonad, then that runtime dependency isn't > required. But maybe that doesn't matter? > Well, that's a good point. An idea to get around this easily would be to copy the template to a file called something different (e.g. xmonad.hs.customize-me) with a comment at the top saying to rename it to xmonad.hs. I really can't imagine there will be many (if any) users that use xmonad without customizing it, though (?). -Brent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/xmonad/attachments/20080104/a44d8489/attachment.htm From daveroundy at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 13:22:35 2008 From: daveroundy at gmail.com (David Roundy) Date: Fri Jan 4 13:16:27 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist In-Reply-To: <22fcbd520801041012m51930879vbb880e0f698c0006@mail.gmail.com> References: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> <20080103221923.GL4775@scytale.galois.com> <20080104011901.GO4775@scytale.galois.com> <22fcbd520801041012m51930879vbb880e0f698c0006@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <117f2cc80801041022m234b95b3o288d54f5c41ce967@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 4, 2008 1:12 PM, Brent Yorgey wrote: > > If you never customise xmonad, then that runtime dependency isn't > > required. But maybe that doesn't matter? > > Well, that's a good point. An idea to get around this easily would be to > copy the template to a file called something different (e.g. > xmonad.hs.customize-me) with a comment at the top saying to rename it to > xmonad.hs . I really can't imagine there will be many (if any) users that > use xmonad without customizing it, though (?). Another possibility would simply be to only compile xmonad.hs if ghc is in the path. So the only runtime overhead of putting that xmonad.hs there (if ghc isn't installed) would be to check the PATH for ghc. Doesn't seem too onerous for those mythical users who are content with xmonad's default configuration. David From mail at joachim-breitner.de Fri Jan 4 13:22:37 2008 From: mail at joachim-breitner.de (Joachim Breitner) Date: Fri Jan 4 13:16:29 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist In-Reply-To: <22fcbd520801041012m51930879vbb880e0f698c0006@mail.gmail.com> References: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> <20080103221923.GL4775@scytale.galois.com> <20080104011901.GO4775@scytale.galois.com> <22fcbd520801041012m51930879vbb880e0f698c0006@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1199470957.3772.18.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net> Hi, Am Freitag, den 04.01.2008, 13:12 -0500 schrieb Brent Yorgey: > Well, that's a good point. An idea to get around this easily would be > to copy the template to a file called something different (e.g. > xmonad.hs.customize-me) with a comment at the top saying to rename it > to xmonad.hs . I really can't imagine there will be many (if any) > users that use xmonad without customizing it, though (?). Well, the debian packages are laid out so that it?d be possible to generate a custom xmonad binary package and only install that ? for example if you run xmonad on several machines, and only want ghc on one of them. So there are corner cases where it might be useful. The idea with the suffix is nice. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim "nomeata" Breitner mail: mail@joachim-breitner.de | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Key: 4743206C JID: nomeata@joachim-breitner.de | http://www.joachim-breitner.de/ Debian Developer: nomeata@debian.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil Url : http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/xmonad/attachments/20080104/a890b937/attachment-0001.bin From dons at galois.com Fri Jan 4 13:23:52 2008 From: dons at galois.com (Don Stewart) Date: Fri Jan 4 13:17:54 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist In-Reply-To: <117f2cc80801041022m234b95b3o288d54f5c41ce967@mail.gmail.com> References: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> <20080103221923.GL4775@scytale.galois.com> <20080104011901.GO4775@scytale.galois.com> <22fcbd520801041012m51930879vbb880e0f698c0006@mail.gmail.com> <117f2cc80801041022m234b95b3o288d54f5c41ce967@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080104182352.GA10421@scytale.galois.com> daveroundy: > On Jan 4, 2008 1:12 PM, Brent Yorgey wrote: > > > If you never customise xmonad, then that runtime dependency isn't > > > required. But maybe that doesn't matter? > > > > Well, that's a good point. An idea to get around this easily would be to > > copy the template to a file called something different (e.g. > > xmonad.hs.customize-me) with a comment at the top saying to rename it to > > xmonad.hs . I really can't imagine there will be many (if any) users that > > use xmonad without customizing it, though (?). > > Another possibility would simply be to only compile xmonad.hs if ghc > is in the path. So the only runtime overhead of putting that > xmonad.hs there (if ghc isn't installed) would be to check the PATH > for ghc. Doesn't seem too onerous for those mythical users who are > content with xmonad's default configuration. Maybe it's also time to look at the default configuration, so that more people are satisfied with it. -- Don From codesite-noreply at google.com Fri Jan 4 13:29:25 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Fri Jan 4 13:23:16 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 118 in xmonad: Install default configuration template Message-ID: <000e0cd28d760442e9b0a823a31ae10@google.com> Issue 118: Install default configuration template http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=118 New issue report by dons00: We can make it even easier to get into configuring xmonad by installing a default xmonad config file. Two approaches: * xmonad-example.hs that is, install an example in the right location, with a name that hints on how to use it. * xmonad.hs Install a real xmonad.hs, and only compile it if ghc is available. We'd also need a way to create the config file in the first place. Is it copied as part of the install process? Issue attributes: Status: Accepted Owner: dons00 Labels: Type-Enhancement Priority-Medium Usability -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Fri Jan 4 13:29:25 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Fri Jan 4 13:23:17 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 118 in xmonad: Install default configuration template Message-ID: <000e0cd28d760442e9b0a823a31ae10@google.com> Issue 118: Install default configuration template http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=118 New issue report by dons00: We can make it even easier to get into configuring xmonad by installing a default xmonad config file. Two approaches: * xmonad-example.hs that is, install an example in the right location, with a name that hints on how to use it. * xmonad.hs Install a real xmonad.hs, and only compile it if ghc is available. We'd also need a way to create the config file in the first place. Is it copied as part of the install process? Issue attributes: Status: Accepted Owner: dons00 Labels: Type-Enhancement Priority-Medium Usability -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Fri Jan 4 13:43:28 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Fri Jan 4 13:37:19 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 118 in xmonad: Install default configuration template Message-ID: <000e0cd480e20442e9e2e2f3a8116bab@google.com> Issue 118: Install default configuration template http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=118 Comment #1 by byorgey: My idea for creating the config file in the first place is to set it up as a resource file in the cabal package for xmonad, so that it can then be accessed in a uniform way using the autogenerated Paths_xmonad module. If it's found not to exist (e.g. if it's just a static binary installation) it can just be ignored. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Fri Jan 4 13:43:28 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Fri Jan 4 13:37:23 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 118 in xmonad: Install default configuration template Message-ID: <000e0cd480e20442e9e2e2f3a8116bab@google.com> Issue 118: Install default configuration template http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=118 Comment #1 by byorgey: My idea for creating the config file in the first place is to set it up as a resource file in the cabal package for xmonad, so that it can then be accessed in a uniform way using the autogenerated Paths_xmonad module. If it's found not to exist (e.g. if it's just a static binary installation) it can just be ignored. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From dominik at dbruhn.de Fri Jan 4 14:03:29 2008 From: dominik at dbruhn.de (Dominik Bruhn) Date: Fri Jan 4 13:56:35 2008 Subject: [xmonad] avoidStruts doesnt work Message-ID: <20080104190329.GA3238@dbruhn.de> Skipped content of type multipart/mixed-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/xmonad/attachments/20080104/a4a74736/attachment.bin From dons at galois.com Fri Jan 4 14:04:41 2008 From: dons at galois.com (Don Stewart) Date: Fri Jan 4 13:58:38 2008 Subject: [xmonad] avoidStruts doesnt work In-Reply-To: <20080104190329.GA3238@dbruhn.de> References: <20080104190329.GA3238@dbruhn.de> Message-ID: <20080104190441.GD10421@scytale.galois.com> dominik: > Hy, > I wanted to replace defaultGap with ManageDocks as everybody seems to > recommend this and I wanted to play arround a little bit. > > But I ran into problems: > I use xmobar as my StatusBar and the attached config. As you can see I > commented defaultGaps out and used avoidStruts in my LayoutHook. In my > Configfile there are two LaytouHooks, the upper one (commented out) is > the one I use but in order to see if its a problem regarding > "onWorkspace" I created the second Hook which is far more simple. > > Using this config nothing happens if I start up xmonad concerning my > xmobar. It gets hidden by every window I create. ManageDock seems to > recognize XMobar as I am not able to switch to it using Mod+Tab (which > is fine!). Am I thinking wrong about the avoidStruts Method or using it > wrong? > > Who can give me a hint? > I think this is an xmobar bug, not setting override-redirect? -- Don From sjanssen at cse.unl.edu Fri Jan 4 14:59:43 2008 From: sjanssen at cse.unl.edu (Spencer Janssen) Date: Fri Jan 4 14:53:46 2008 Subject: [xmonad] avoidStruts doesnt work In-Reply-To: <20080104190329.GA3238@dbruhn.de> References: <20080104190329.GA3238@dbruhn.de> Message-ID: <20080104195943.GA8576@presario> On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 08:03:29PM +0100, Dominik Bruhn wrote: > Hy, > I wanted to replace defaultGap with ManageDocks as everybody seems to > recommend this and I wanted to play arround a little bit. > > But I ran into problems: > I use xmobar as my StatusBar and the attached config. As you can see I > commented defaultGaps out and used avoidStruts in my LayoutHook. In my > Configfile there are two LaytouHooks, the upper one (commented out) is > the one I use but in order to see if its a problem regarding > "onWorkspace" I created the second Hook which is far more simple. > > Using this config nothing happens if I start up xmonad concerning my > xmobar. It gets hidden by every window I create. ManageDock seems to > recognize XMobar as I am not able to switch to it using Mod+Tab (which > is fine!). Am I thinking wrong about the avoidStruts Method or using it > wrong? > > Who can give me a hint? > > Thanks > -- > Dominik Bruhn > mailto: dominik@dbruhn.de Try running xprop on the xmobar window. Do you see _NET_WM_STRUT in the output? If not, you'll need to upgrade xmobar -- I can't remember which version added strut support. Cheers, Spencer Janssen From sjanssen at cse.unl.edu Fri Jan 4 15:25:10 2008 From: sjanssen at cse.unl.edu (Spencer Janssen) Date: Fri Jan 4 15:19:15 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist In-Reply-To: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080104202509.GB8576@presario> On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 05:18:06PM -0500, Brent Yorgey wrote: > Hi all, > > I was just talking with cce in #xmonad, who suggested that it would be nice > if xmonad, when starting up, checked for the presence of xmonad.hs in > ~/.xmonad/ and installed the template xmonad.hs if it's not there. > Especially for those installing xmonad via a packaged distribution, it may > not be immediately obvious how to start configuring xmonad, where to put > xmonad.hs, and so on. I thought I'd run this idea by the list to see what > people think before I implement it... perhaps there's a good reason it > doesn't do this already. > > -Brent We ought to look at precedent from most other Unix tools -- they don't install stub configuration files and I think there are good reasons behind that. Consider a user that tries xmonad, but then decides in the end that it isn't for them. We shouldn't leave ~/.xmonad cruft (probably including a 3MB cached binary!) behind. Rather than install boilerplate configuration files in every user's home directory, we should use our prominent documentation locations (the manpage and xmonad.org) to point to an example config. Cheers, Spencer Janssen From codesite-noreply at google.com Fri Jan 4 15:37:45 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Fri Jan 4 15:31:36 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 82 in xmonad: Gaps moved to contrib Message-ID: <0016364180090442eb7b9e27c44d3c1@google.com> Issue 82: Gaps moved to contrib http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=82 Comment #4 by SpencerJanssen: As I mention in issue #12, there are a few issues with avoidStruts that we need to consider before removing gaps. Additionally, we should move avoidStruts to the core and default config at the same time we remove gaps. I don't think we'll have this done for 0.6. Issue attribute updates: Labels: -Milestone-Release0.6 -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Fri Jan 4 15:37:45 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Fri Jan 4 15:31:37 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 82 in xmonad: Gaps moved to contrib Message-ID: <0016364180090442eb7b9e27c44d3c1@google.com> Issue 82: Gaps moved to contrib http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=82 Comment #4 by SpencerJanssen: As I mention in issue #12, there are a few issues with avoidStruts that we need to consider before removing gaps. Additionally, we should move avoidStruts to the core and default config at the same time we remove gaps. I don't think we'll have this done for 0.6. Issue attribute updates: Labels: -Milestone-Release0.6 -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From isaacdupree at charter.net Fri Jan 4 15:59:48 2008 From: isaacdupree at charter.net (Isaac Dupree) Date: Fri Jan 4 15:53:44 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist In-Reply-To: <20080104202509.GB8576@presario> References: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> <20080104202509.GB8576@presario> Message-ID: <477E9E44.1060608@charter.net> Spencer Janssen wrote: > We ought to look at precedent from most other Unix tools -- they don't install > stub configuration files and I think there are good reasons behind that. > Consider a user that tries xmonad, but then decides in the end that it isn't > for them. We shouldn't leave ~/.xmonad cruft (probably including a 3MB cached > binary!) behind. Unfortunately, precedent states that lots of ~/.* cruft _is_ left around by many applications; for example, shells leave history-files, and preferences / automatic memories are automatically stored there, and there's not much to do about it (other than avoid the big 3MB cached binaries where possible :-) ... As a user I prefer having the stub config file put there, in general, because it makes me feel more likely that I've actually got the right file that's going to be read by the program, and a basic idea of its syntax. (But then if the app is upgraded, an old stub config file will be left there! Oh Nosies!) ~Isaac From codesite-noreply at google.com Fri Jan 4 16:19:52 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Fri Jan 4 16:13:44 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 82 in xmonad: Gaps moved to contrib Message-ID: <00163646d7ec0442ec123a12064de89@google.com> Issue 82: Gaps moved to contrib http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=82 Comment #5 by daveroundy: Why not leave this in contrib-only? -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Fri Jan 4 16:19:52 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Fri Jan 4 16:13:44 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 82 in xmonad: Gaps moved to contrib Message-ID: <00163646d7ec0442ec123a12064de89@google.com> Issue 82: Gaps moved to contrib http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=82 Comment #5 by daveroundy: Why not leave this in contrib-only? -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From dominik at dbruhn.de Fri Jan 4 16:38:43 2008 From: dominik at dbruhn.de (Dominik Bruhn) Date: Fri Jan 4 16:31:51 2008 Subject: [xmonad] avoidStruts doesnt work In-Reply-To: <20080104195943.GA8576@presario> References: <20080104190329.GA3238@dbruhn.de> <20080104195943.GA8576@presario> Message-ID: <20080104213843.GC3238@dbruhn.de> On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 01:59:43PM -0600, Spencer Janssen wrote: > Try running xprop on the xmobar window. Do you see _NET_WM_STRUT in the > output? If not, you'll need to upgrade xmobar -- I can't remember which > version added strut support. As I use xmobar from darcs the output is: _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DOCK _NET_WM_STRUT(CARDINAL) = 0, 0, 0, 0 So, this is not the solution. As I mentioned above the manageDock-Hook also avoids managing the xmobar-window so it recognizes it. Greetings -- Dominik Bruhn mailto: dominik@dbruhn.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/xmonad/attachments/20080104/c52248ed/attachment.bin From sjanssen at cse.unl.edu Fri Jan 4 17:18:52 2008 From: sjanssen at cse.unl.edu (Spencer Janssen) Date: Fri Jan 4 17:12:55 2008 Subject: [xmonad] avoidStruts doesnt work In-Reply-To: <20080104213843.GC3238@dbruhn.de> References: <20080104190329.GA3238@dbruhn.de> <20080104195943.GA8576@presario> <20080104213843.GC3238@dbruhn.de> Message-ID: <20080104221852.GA11056@presario> On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 10:38:43PM +0100, Dominik Bruhn wrote: > On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 01:59:43PM -0600, Spencer Janssen wrote: > > Try running xprop on the xmobar window. Do you see _NET_WM_STRUT in the > > output? If not, you'll need to upgrade xmobar -- I can't remember which > > version added strut support. > As I use xmobar from darcs the output is: > _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DOCK > _NET_WM_STRUT(CARDINAL) = 0, 0, 0, 0 That last line is the problem. xmobar sets a strut value of zero pixels on each edge of the screen. Can you show us your xmobar config? > So, this is not the solution. As I mentioned above the manageDock-Hook > also avoids managing the xmobar-window so it recognizes it. manageDocks doesn't apply to xmobar because it is an 'override-redirect' window. Cheers, Spencer Janssen From gwern0 at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 17:18:46 2008 From: gwern0 at gmail.com (gwern0@gmail.com) Date: Fri Jan 4 17:13:07 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist In-Reply-To: <20080104182352.GA10421@scytale.galois.com> References: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> <20080103221923.GL4775@scytale.galois.com> <20080104011901.GO4775@scytale.galois.com> <22fcbd520801041012m51930879vbb880e0f698c0006@mail.gmail.com> <117f2cc80801041022m234b95b3o288d54f5c41ce967@mail.gmail.com> <20080104182352.GA10421@scytale.galois.com> Message-ID: <20080104221846.GA706@localhost> On 2008.01.04 10:23:52 -0800, Don Stewart scribbled 1.0K characters: > daveroundy: > > On Jan 4, 2008 1:12 PM, Brent Yorgey wrote: > > > > If you never customise xmonad, then that runtime dependency isn't > > > > required. But maybe that doesn't matter? > > > > > > Well, that's a good point. An idea to get around this easily would be to > > > copy the template to a file called something different (e.g. > > > xmonad.hs.customize-me) with a comment at the top saying to rename it to > > > xmonad.hs . I really can't imagine there will be many (if any) users that > > > use xmonad without customizing it, though (?). > > > > Another possibility would simply be to only compile xmonad.hs if ghc > > is in the path. So the only runtime overhead of putting that > > xmonad.hs there (if ghc isn't installed) would be to check the PATH > > for ghc. Doesn't seem too onerous for those mythical users who are > > content with xmonad's default configuration. > > Maybe it's also time to look at the default configuration, so > that more people are satisfied with it. > > -- Don Well, we could revisit some old decisions. # Does it *have* to be mod1Mask? It makes more sense to steal Alt than Ctrl, I'll grant, but stealing the useless Windows is even better since even fewer apps use that; I notice that there are at least 4 or 5 configs on the wiki which change mod1Mask to mod4Mask. # Maybe change the default border colors. Looking through the configs, I don't see much consistency though. # Random note on configs: they seem to either be long or short, with all the long ones doing complex stuff with Dzen; I don't use Dzen and don't entirely understand what they are doing, but it looks pretty repetitious. This seems like a fruitful area to examine for abstracting and factoring out stuff. Similar comments apply with Xmobar, although the situation doesn't seem as bad there. # Add some more convenience functions for manipulating keymaps. Look at Rossato's config in XMC - you see line after line of stuff like > , ((modMask x , xK_F6 ), windowPromptBring defaultXPConfig ) Bleh. -- gwern 777 bce data-haven NSV 2600 NAWAS devices nowhere the Bess -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It makes more sense to steal Alt than Ctrl, I'll grant, but stealing the useless Windows is even better since even fewer apps use that; I notice that there are at least 4 or 5 configs on the wiki which change mod1Mask to mod4Mask. I'd argue yes, seeing as the Windows key is not a ubiquitous key on all keyboards. Leaving it as Alt, whilst potentially annoying for some users, is tough, IMO. :) > # Maybe change the default border colors. Looking through the configs, I don't see much consistency though. Maybe, but that's horses for courses, since no two colours are ever going to please everyone; it distills down to having to choose two colours as the default, chosen by the person who wrote the template at the time. > # Random note on configs: they seem to either be long or short, with all the long ones doing complex stuff with Dzen; I don't use Dzen and don't entirely understand what they are doing, but it looks pretty repetitious. This seems like a fruitful area to examine for abstracting and factoring out stuff. Similar comments apply with Xmobar, although the situation doesn't seem as bad there. The Dzen configs from within XMonad have gotten *much* easier with the 0.5 release. -- Thomas Adam From codesite-noreply at google.com Fri Jan 4 17:29:07 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Fri Jan 4 17:22:59 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 82 in xmonad: Gaps moved to contrib Message-ID: <00163646d8f20442ed09e095a341f84a@google.com> Issue 82: Gaps moved to contrib http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=82 Comment #6 by SpencerJanssen: > Why not leave this in contrib-only? I expect that practically every user will make use of this feature, so we should make it work out of the box. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Fri Jan 4 17:29:07 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Fri Jan 4 17:22:59 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 82 in xmonad: Gaps moved to contrib Message-ID: <00163646d8f20442ed09e095a341f84a@google.com> Issue 82: Gaps moved to contrib http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=82 Comment #6 by SpencerJanssen: > Why not leave this in contrib-only? I expect that practically every user will make use of this feature, so we should make it work out of the box. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From dominik at dbruhn.de Fri Jan 4 17:40:10 2008 From: dominik at dbruhn.de (Dominik Bruhn) Date: Fri Jan 4 17:33:17 2008 Subject: [xmonad] avoidStruts doesnt work In-Reply-To: <20080104221852.GA11056@presario> References: <20080104190329.GA3238@dbruhn.de> <20080104195943.GA8576@presario> <20080104213843.GC3238@dbruhn.de> <20080104221852.GA11056@presario> Message-ID: <20080104224010.GD3238@dbruhn.de> On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 04:18:52PM -0600, Spencer Janssen wrote: > That last line is the problem. xmobar sets a strut value of zero pixels on > each edge of the screen. Can you show us your xmobar config? Config { font = "-misc-fixed-*-*-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" , bgColor = "black" , fgColor = "white" , position = TopW L 100 , commands = [ Run Com "/home/dominik/.xmonad/checkmails.sh" [] "mails" 600 , Run Date "%A, %d.%m.%Y %H:%M:%S" "date" 10 , Run Com "/home/dominik/.xmonad/battery.sh" [] "battery" 600 , Run Com "/home/dominik/.xmonad/volume.sh" [] "volume" 100 , Run PipeReader "/home/dominik/.xmonad/status" "xmobar" ] , sepChar = "%" , alignSep = "{}" , template = "%xmobar%{}%mails% | %volume% | %battery% | %date%" } > manageDocks doesn't apply to xmobar because it is an 'override-redirect' > window. Okay, I dont understand this, but I havnt got the knowledge of X11 so its my fault! Thanks -- Dominik Bruhn mailto: dominik@dbruhn.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/xmonad/attachments/20080104/939be204/attachment.bin From codesite-noreply at google.com Fri Jan 4 18:28:26 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Fri Jan 4 18:22:18 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 82 in xmonad: Gaps moved to contrib Message-ID: <00163646ce780442edde01912641f0f4@google.com> Issue 82: Gaps moved to contrib http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=82 Comment #7 by daveroundy: I wasn't aware that this was our criterion for inclusion in xmonad core. fwiw I don't use this. I have it in my config, but only because I wrote it. I don't use any struts. Honestly, I only wrote it hoping to get the gaps out of core (well, and to avoid ManageDocks itself making use of the gaps, which would make it less likely to be removed from core). -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Fri Jan 4 18:28:26 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Fri Jan 4 18:22:27 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 82 in xmonad: Gaps moved to contrib Message-ID: <00163646ce780442edde01912641f0f4@google.com> Issue 82: Gaps moved to contrib http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=82 Comment #7 by daveroundy: I wasn't aware that this was our criterion for inclusion in xmonad core. fwiw I don't use this. I have it in my config, but only because I wrote it. I don't use any struts. Honestly, I only wrote it hoping to get the gaps out of core (well, and to avoid ManageDocks itself making use of the gaps, which would make it less likely to be removed from core). -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From daveroundy at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 18:39:22 2008 From: daveroundy at gmail.com (David Roundy) Date: Fri Jan 4 18:33:12 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist In-Reply-To: <20080104221846.GA706@localhost> References: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> <20080103221923.GL4775@scytale.galois.com> <20080104011901.GO4775@scytale.galois.com> <22fcbd520801041012m51930879vbb880e0f698c0006@mail.gmail.com> <117f2cc80801041022m234b95b3o288d54f5c41ce967@mail.gmail.com> <20080104182352.GA10421@scytale.galois.com> <20080104221846.GA706@localhost> Message-ID: <117f2cc80801041539m132b8ae8x363d888c1b6677dc@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 4, 2008 5:18 PM, wrote: > # Does it *have* to be mod1Mask? It makes more sense to steal Alt than Ctrl, I'll grant, but stealing the useless Windows is even better since even fewer apps use that; I notice that there are at least 4 or 5 configs on the wiki which change mod1Mask to mod4Mask. As pointed out, it really does. Most users will be disappointed when they find that they are unable to exit a new window manager without either killing it externally or killing X windows itself. I would, however, suggest considering a reduction in the number of default key bindings. But then again, key bindings do seem to be the one feature of any application that very few users can agree on. David From dons at galois.com Fri Jan 4 18:55:16 2008 From: dons at galois.com (Don Stewart) Date: Fri Jan 4 18:49:08 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist In-Reply-To: <117f2cc80801041539m132b8ae8x363d888c1b6677dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> <20080103221923.GL4775@scytale.galois.com> <20080104011901.GO4775@scytale.galois.com> <22fcbd520801041012m51930879vbb880e0f698c0006@mail.gmail.com> <117f2cc80801041022m234b95b3o288d54f5c41ce967@mail.gmail.com> <20080104182352.GA10421@scytale.galois.com> <20080104221846.GA706@localhost> <117f2cc80801041539m132b8ae8x363d888c1b6677dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080104235516.GD14375@scytale.galois.com> daveroundy: > On Jan 4, 2008 5:18 PM, wrote: > > # Does it *have* to be mod1Mask? It makes more sense to steal Alt than Ctrl, I'll grant, but stealing the useless Windows is even better since even fewer apps use that; I notice that there are at least 4 or 5 configs on the wiki which change mod1Mask to mod4Mask. > > As pointed out, it really does. Most users will be disappointed when > they find that they are unable to exit a new window manager without > either killing it externally or killing X windows itself. > > I would, however, suggest considering a reduction in the number of > default key bindings. But then again, key bindings do seem to be the > one feature of any application that very few users can agree on. > We have to also remember that the core system is supposed to be usable (i.e. it should be pretty much what Spencer and I use daily). This is currently the case for me, at least. Of course, I'm also happy to garbage collect stuff that hasn't turned out to be useful, and move things in that are needed. -- Don From dominik at dbruhn.de Fri Jan 4 19:31:02 2008 From: dominik at dbruhn.de (Dominik Bruhn) Date: Fri Jan 4 19:24:11 2008 Subject: [xmonad] avoidStruts doesnt work In-Reply-To: <20080104221852.GA11056@presario> References: <20080104190329.GA3238@dbruhn.de> <20080104195943.GA8576@presario> <20080104213843.GC3238@dbruhn.de> <20080104221852.GA11056@presario> Message-ID: <20080105003102.GA28032@dbruhn.de> Hy, after chaning the Position in my xmobar Config from "TopW L 100" to Top everything works fine. I think there is a bug in xmobar not in xmonad. -- Dominik Bruhn mailto: dominik@dbruhn.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Converging on a single widely acceptable / popular default configuration may prove a quixotic goal. Perhaps, on detecting an absence of xmonad.hs, run an interactive configuration script. Mod1Mask vs Mod4Mask? Gnome integration? What have you... I think that this could provide a much happier OOTB experience. /john From sjanssen at cse.unl.edu Fri Jan 4 22:12:55 2008 From: sjanssen at cse.unl.edu (Spencer Janssen) Date: Fri Jan 4 22:06:57 2008 Subject: [xmonad] avoidStruts doesnt work In-Reply-To: <20080105003102.GA28032@dbruhn.de> References: <20080104190329.GA3238@dbruhn.de> <20080104195943.GA8576@presario> <20080104213843.GC3238@dbruhn.de> <20080104221852.GA11056@presario> <20080105003102.GA28032@dbruhn.de> Message-ID: <20080105031255.GA18539@presario> On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 01:31:02AM +0100, Dominik Bruhn wrote: > I think there is a bug in xmobar not in xmonad. Agreed. From codesite-noreply at google.com Fri Jan 4 22:18:56 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Fri Jan 4 22:12:47 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 116 in xmonad: Updates the EDSL for defining ManageHooks Message-ID: <000e0cd14e7c0442f1165e495f6610e@google.com> Issue 116: Updates the EDSL for defining ManageHooks http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=116 Comment #1 by SpencerJanssen: (No comment was entered for this change.) Issue attribute updates: Labels: -Type-Defect Type-Enhancement -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Fri Jan 4 22:18:56 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Fri Jan 4 22:12:48 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 116 in xmonad: Updates the EDSL for defining ManageHooks Message-ID: <000e0cd14e7c0442f1165e495f6610e@google.com> Issue 116: Updates the EDSL for defining ManageHooks http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=116 Comment #1 by SpencerJanssen: (No comment was entered for this change.) Issue attribute updates: Labels: -Type-Defect Type-Enhancement -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From sjanssen at cse.unl.edu Fri Jan 4 22:30:44 2008 From: sjanssen at cse.unl.edu (Spencer Janssen) Date: Fri Jan 4 22:24:46 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist In-Reply-To: <477E9E44.1060608@charter.net> References: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> <20080104202509.GB8576@presario> <477E9E44.1060608@charter.net> Message-ID: <20080105033044.GA18639@presario> On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 03:59:48PM -0500, Isaac Dupree wrote: > Spencer Janssen wrote: >> We ought to look at precedent from most other Unix tools -- they don't >> install >> stub configuration files and I think there are good reasons behind that. >> Consider a user that tries xmonad, but then decides in the end that it >> isn't >> for them. We shouldn't leave ~/.xmonad cruft (probably including a 3MB >> cached >> binary!) behind. > > Unfortunately, precedent states that lots of ~/.* cruft _is_ left around by > many applications; I mean that we shouldn't create these files if we aren't using them. > As a user I prefer having the stub config file put there, in > general, because it makes me feel more likely that I've actually got the > right file that's going to be read by the program, and a basic idea of its > syntax. I must say I don't understand this. Do we expect that the user will immediately hunt for a file ~/.xmonad/xmonad.hs? Surely they'll seek the documentation first, in which case we can provide solid information on which file to edit and how it should look. > (But then if the app is upgraded, an old stub config file will be > left there! Oh Nosies!) Oh, this is an interesting point I hadn't considered. If the stub file isn't compatible with a later version of xmonad (highly likely), the user will receive error messages about a file they've never edited! Cheers, Spencer Janssen From codesite-noreply at google.com Fri Jan 4 22:37:57 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Fri Jan 4 22:31:47 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 97 in xmonad: xmonad stops responding to keyboard input after running xscreensaver Message-ID: <000e0cd290840442f15a5c08ee341edc@google.com> Issue 97: xmonad stops responding to keyboard input after running xscreensaver http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=97 Comment #6 by jim.stut...@talktalk.net: Hi, This may well be idiosyncratic but: booting into xmonad gives a repeat kdm password prompt followed by xmonad background and keyboard lock. running xmonad was working but keyboard now locks. Sony Vaio PCG-Z600TEK : ie. fairly notorious ubuntu hardy heron 8.04 : gutsy so bug-ridden had to bump up. 8.04 seems better but who knows, esp. on laptops? xmonad recent darcs and gz : tried several with same result but no notes. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Fri Jan 4 22:37:57 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Fri Jan 4 22:31:48 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 97 in xmonad: xmonad stops responding to keyboard input after running xscreensaver Message-ID: <000e0cd290840442f15a5c08ee341edc@google.com> Issue 97: xmonad stops responding to keyboard input after running xscreensaver http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=97 Comment #6 by jim.stut...@talktalk.net: Hi, This may well be idiosyncratic but: booting into xmonad gives a repeat kdm password prompt followed by xmonad background and keyboard lock. running xmonad was working but keyboard now locks. Sony Vaio PCG-Z600TEK : ie. fairly notorious ubuntu hardy heron 8.04 : gutsy so bug-ridden had to bump up. 8.04 seems better but who knows, esp. on laptops? xmonad recent darcs and gz : tried several with same result but no notes. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Fri Jan 4 22:41:57 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Fri Jan 4 22:35:47 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 118 in xmonad: Install default configuration template Message-ID: <000e0cd20f8a0442f168ac6baf65c71@google.com> Issue 118: Install default configuration template http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=118 Comment #2 by SpencerJanssen: Mark me as against copying a config stub to ~/.xmonad/xmonad.hs, for several reasons I've described in the mailing list thread. However, installing a system-wide example config file would be nice. Do we know that Cabal will install it to a reasonable location? If not, it may be better to rely on xmonad packagers to install this file, just as we do with the manpage. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From codesite-noreply at google.com Fri Jan 4 22:41:57 2008 From: codesite-noreply at google.com (codesite-noreply@google.com) Date: Fri Jan 4 22:35:48 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Issue 118 in xmonad: Install default configuration template Message-ID: <000e0cd20f8a0442f168ac6baf65c71@google.com> Issue 118: Install default configuration template http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=118 Comment #2 by SpencerJanssen: Mark me as against copying a config stub to ~/.xmonad/xmonad.hs, for several reasons I've described in the mailing list thread. However, installing a system-wide example config file would be nice. Do we know that Cabal will install it to a reasonable location? If not, it may be better to rely on xmonad packagers to install this file, just as we do with the manpage. -- You received this message because you are listed in the owner or CC fields of this issue, or because you starred this issue. You may adjust your issue notification preferences at: http://code.google.com/hosting/settings From mail at joachim-breitner.de Sat Jan 5 06:05:18 2008 From: mail at joachim-breitner.de (Joachim Breitner) Date: Sat Jan 5 05:59:10 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist In-Reply-To: <18071eea0801041424w31a2aabcqd4fd5daff8bd54d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> <20080103221923.GL4775@scytale.galois.com> <20080104011901.GO4775@scytale.galois.com> <22fcbd520801041012m51930879vbb880e0f698c0006@mail.gmail.com> <117f2cc80801041022m234b95b3o288d54f5c41ce967@mail.gmail.com> <20080104182352.GA10421@scytale.galois.com> <20080104221846.GA706@localhost> <18071eea0801041424w31a2aabcqd4fd5daff8bd54d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1199531118.3772.23.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net> Hi, Am Freitag, den 04.01.2008, 22:24 +0000 schrieb Thomas Adam: > Hello -- > > On 04/01/2008, gwern0@gmail.com wrote: > > # Does it *have* to be mod1Mask? It makes more sense to steal Alt than Ctrl, I'll grant, but stealing the useless Windows is even better since even fewer apps use that; I notice that there are at least 4 or 5 configs on the wiki which change mod1Mask to mod4Mask. > > I'd argue yes, seeing as the Windows key is not a ubiquitous key on > all keyboards. Leaving it as Alt, whilst potentially annoying for > some users, is tough, IMO. :) We could be more bold, without overriding existing key combinations, and remap the CapsLock key (which most people don?t use) to a modifier key and use that per default. It?s what I?m doing :-) PRO: * Does not conflict with other Ctrl or Alt bindings. * Quite a handy spot on the keyboard. * Most people don?t use the CapsLock. CON: * Some already remap that key (but they are power users that most likely modify their xmonad config anyways) * Some might actually want to USE THE CAPSLOCK KEY :-) * It might be a bit less intuitive than the Alt key. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim "nomeata" Breitner mail: mail@joachim-breitner.de | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Key: 4743206C JID: nomeata@joachim-breitner.de | http://www.joachim-breitner.de/ Debian Developer: nomeata@debian.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil Url : http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/xmonad/attachments/20080105/c6030306/attachment.bin From isaacdupree at charter.net Sat Jan 5 06:30:56 2008 From: isaacdupree at charter.net (Isaac Dupree) Date: Sat Jan 5 06:24:48 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist In-Reply-To: <20080105033044.GA18639@presario> References: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> <20080104202509.GB8576@presario> <477E9E44.1060608@charter.net> <20080105033044.GA18639@presario> Message-ID: <477F6A70.1040708@charter.net> Spencer Janssen wrote: >> As a user I prefer having the stub config file put there, in >> general, because it makes me feel more likely that I've actually got the >> right file that's going to be read by the program, and a basic idea of its >> syntax. > > I must say I don't understand this. Do we expect that the user will > immediately hunt for a file ~/.xmonad/xmonad.hs? Surely they'll seek the > documentation first, in which case we can provide solid information on which > file to edit and how it should look. you sound entirely right; how do I understand it myself? - copying from the documentation to a new file is more complicated mentally than finding it already there (especially when there isn't an obvious complete chunk of text to copy, or file to download) - there is no immediate feedback about whether putting the file there had any effect (maybe the documentation was out of date or for a development version? maybe I typo'ed? maybe my configuration had a syntax error, or silently did nothing for an entirely idiosyncratic reason (like ~/.config/fish/config.fish not propagating the effects of `cd` commands to the resulting shell, even though propagating anything else works, and even the `cd` there works in other shells. Luckily it was a shell so trying "echo" worked to make sure the config was being read in mostly the way I expected.) - basically it's just because I'm unfamiliar every time with the whole configuration system, so every little thing is another thing that could go wrong. > I mean that we shouldn't create these files if we aren't using them. Especially don't create ~/.xmonad/xmonad.hs if you're going to ignore changes to it as long as no GHC is present, because then I could be very confused! Xmonad's log messages may be particularly hard to find since they tend to be mixed in with X's startup log messages. A name like ~/.xmonad/xmonad.hs.example, with appropriate comments inside (THIS IS AN EXAMPLE FILE, REAL CONFIG GOES IN , BUT YOU NEED GHC INSTALLED FIRST OR CONFIGURATION WON'T WORK), would probably be quite clear. Less obvious but less wasteful of space would be to install xmonad.hs.example in some system directory like /usr/share, and it could be clear to the user (if the corresponding xmonad-version is mentioned anywhere, in the file-path and/or comments) that it really corresponds to the currently installed version of xmonad. ~Isaac From isaacdupree at charter.net Sat Jan 5 06:37:44 2008 From: isaacdupree at charter.net (Isaac Dupree) Date: Sat Jan 5 06:31:34 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist In-Reply-To: <1199531118.3772.23.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net> References: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> <20080103221923.GL4775@scytale.galois.com> <20080104011901.GO4775@scytale.galois.com> <22fcbd520801041012m51930879vbb880e0f698c0006@mail.gmail.com> <117f2cc80801041022m234b95b3o288d54f5c41ce967@mail.gmail.com> <20080104182352.GA10421@scytale.galois.com> <20080104221846.GA706@localhost> <18071eea0801041424w31a2aabcqd4fd5daff8bd54d0@mail.gmail.com> <1199531118.3772.23.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net> Message-ID: <477F6C08.7060009@charter.net> Joachim Breitner wrote: > Hi, > > Am Freitag, den 04.01.2008, 22:24 +0000 schrieb Thomas Adam: >> Hello -- >> >> On 04/01/2008, gwern0@gmail.com wrote: >>> # Does it *have* to be mod1Mask? It makes more sense to steal Alt than Ctrl, I'll grant, but stealing the useless Windows is even better since even fewer apps use that; I notice that there are at least 4 or 5 configs on the wiki which change mod1Mask to mod4Mask. >> I'd argue yes, seeing as the Windows key is not a ubiquitous key on >> all keyboards. Leaving it as Alt, whilst potentially annoying for >> some users, is tough, IMO. :) > > We could be more bold, without overriding existing key combinations, and > remap the CapsLock key (which most people don?t use) to a modifier key > and use that per default. It?s what I?m doing :-) > > PRO: > * Does not conflict with other Ctrl or Alt bindings. > * Quite a handy spot on the keyboard. > * Most people don?t use the CapsLock. > > CON: > * Some already remap that key > (but they are power users that most likely modify their xmonad config > anyways) > * Some might actually want to USE THE CAPSLOCK KEY :-) > * It might be a bit less intuitive than the Alt key. FWIW, I disable CapsLock without using it for anything because if I did use it for anything, it would be accidental half the time (I've tried it.). The one time this bit me was when somehow CapsLock mode turned on by itself, and I had no way to turn it off! Also CON: it could confuse anyone who even understood the key ever, but PRO: it could help teach people how to disable the annoying CapsLock. Do we have to remap only one key? What if we allow Windows _and_ Alt keys to trigger our keybindings by default, as if there was no difference between the keys, to xmonad? ~Isaac From johnchu at acm.org Sat Jan 5 08:27:36 2008 From: johnchu at acm.org (John Chu) Date: Sat Jan 5 08:21:29 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist In-Reply-To: <477F6C08.7060009@charter.net> References: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> <20080103221923.GL4775@scytale.galois.com> <20080104011901.GO4775@scytale.galois.com> <22fcbd520801041012m51930879vbb880e0f698c0006@mail.gmail.com> <117f2cc80801041022m234b95b3o288d54f5c41ce967@mail.gmail.com> <20080104182352.GA10421@scytale.galois.com> <20080104221846.GA706@localhost> <18071eea0801041424w31a2aabcqd4fd5daff8bd54d0@mail.gmail.com> <1199531118.3772.23.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net> <477F6C08.7060009@charter.net> Message-ID: <655F94D6-561B-4B33-9FFF-CA5BF397DAA8@acm.org> > Also CON: it could confuse anyone who even understood the key ever, > but > PRO: it could help teach people how to disable the annoying CapsLock. The current Apple keyboard (i.e., the aluminum one) doesn't send a key down event to the computer on a tap to turn on caps lock. You have to press and hold. It does send a key down event on a tap to turn off caps lock. That is, it's biassed against turning on caps lock, and towards turning it off. I think this is a terrific feature. I hope it catches on. Its antecedents are manual and electric typewriters where caps lock had precisely the same behavior (albeit implemented mechanically). However, this makes the caps lock key a bad choice to map to a modifier on an Apple keyboard. Half the time, the keyboard won't send a key down for caps lock and you won't get the modified key. (Yes, the hardware itself does this.) Making this the default, besides being unintuitive, will seriously annoy anyone using the current Apple keyboard. > Do we have to remap only one key? What if we allow Windows _and_ > Alt keys to trigger our keybindings by default, as if there was no > difference between the keys, to xmonad? This doesn't solve the problem being posed. People change the modifier to the Windows key because they don't want the xmonad to use Alt key combination. (e.g., I use the Windows key for xmonad because I use the Alt key for emacs.) john From allbery at ece.cmu.edu Sat Jan 5 11:34:30 2008 From: allbery at ece.cmu.edu (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH) Date: Sat Jan 5 11:28:20 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist In-Reply-To: <1199531118.3772.23.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net> References: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> <20080103221923.GL4775@scytale.galois.com> <20080104011901.GO4775@scytale.galois.com> <22fcbd520801041012m51930879vbb880e0f698c0006@mail.gmail.com> <117f2cc80801041022m234b95b3o288d54f5c41ce967@mail.gmail.com> <20080104182352.GA10421@scytale.galois.com> <20080104221846.GA706@localhost> <18071eea0801041424w31a2aabcqd4fd5daff8bd54d0@mail.gmail.com> <1199531118.3772.23.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net> Message-ID: <4C514B9D-139B-44EE-AC70-337E83307560@ece.cmu.edu> On Jan 5, 2008, at 6:05 , Joachim Breitner wrote: > We could be more bold, without overriding existing key > combinations, and > remap the CapsLock key (which most people don?t use) to a modifier key > and use that per default. It?s what I?m doing :-) If you remap CapsLock away in OSX (as I do) then it also doesn't work (doesn't generate events at all) in X11.app. (It might be possible to change this by telling X11.app not to sync keymaps, but judging by the odd interactions I've seen in mouse event mapping I suspect this would cause even more "interesting" behaviors. :) -- brandon s. allbery [solaris,freebsd,perl,pugs,haskell] allbery@kf8nh.com system administrator [openafs,heimdal,too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering, carnegie mellon university KF8NH From nicolas.pouillard at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 18:05:11 2008 From: nicolas.pouillard at gmail.com (Nicolas Pouillard) Date: Sat Jan 5 18:05:13 2008 Subject: [xmonad] darcs patch: The recompile function now returns a boolean status in... Message-ID: <67lc3c$73vuo@mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr> Sat Jan 5 23:55:00 CET 2008 nicolas.pouillard@gmail.com * The recompile function now returns a boolean status instead of (). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/x-darcs-patch Size: 5154 bytes Desc: A darcs patch for your repository! Url : http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/xmonad/attachments/20080105/feec4668/attachment.bin From dons at galois.com Sun Jan 6 16:33:22 2008 From: dons at galois.com (Don Stewart) Date: Sun Jan 6 16:27:09 2008 Subject: [xmonad] darcs patch: The recompile function now returns a boolean status in... In-Reply-To: <67lc3c$73vuo@mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr> References: <67lc3c$73vuo@mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr> Message-ID: <20080106213322.GC21631@scytale.galois.com> nicolas.pouillard: > Sat Jan 5 23:55:00 CET 2008 nicolas.pouillard@gmail.com > * The recompile function now returns a boolean status instead of (). Applied, thanks! -- Don From dons at galois.com Sun Jan 6 16:39:42 2008 From: dons at galois.com (Don Stewart) Date: Sun Jan 6 16:33:34 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Xmonad 0.5 + Gnome In-Reply-To: References: <6831D834-8C6A-45D8-8EDF-2F7BE60C0F7F@ece.cmu.edu> <20080103194012.GI4775@scytale.galois.com> Message-ID: <20080106213942.GD21631@scytale.galois.com> Is this in a good enough state to redirect the link from xmonad.org to? Perhaps add the images inline used in the original article? jevin: > I started on an xmonad 0.5 + gnome. Open to feedback. > > http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_Gnome > > On Jan 3, 2008 5:53 PM, Jevin Maltais wrote: > > I would be happy to write the update. The only issue is that I still > > don't have it working properly! I seems like something is taking over > > the desktop. Anything launched with dmenu flashes onto the screen but > > disappears. I can see it in Gnome's workspace thumbnail but not on > > the screen. If I change to workspace two or three, I can control > > windows no problems. Really weird. Any ideas? > > > > I have basically done the configs specified for both EwmhDesktops and > > ManageDocks. > > > > Again, I get this working, I will make a patch (or a wiki page?) for > > the xmonad.org/gnome.html. > > > > Cheers, > > Jevin > > > > > > On Jan 3, 2008 2:40 PM, Don Stewart wrote: > > > allbery: > > > > > > > > On Dec 29, 2007, at 23:47 , Jevin Maltais wrote: > > > > > > > > >So I'd like to be Xmonad to replace metacity in gnome. I've read (and > > > > >tried) the instructions over at: http://xmonad.org/gnome.html which is > > > > >a great write-up. Unfortunately however, I just can't get it to fly > > > > >with gnome. > > > > > > > > > >setting WINDOW_MANGER="/home/jevin/bin/xmonad" gets me gnome + xmonad > > > > >but the gnome-panel is why weird on workspace 1 and simply does not > > > > >appear on the other workspaces. Attached is the result. > > > > > > > > The instructions are out of date; use the EwmhDesktops extension if > > > > you want to run a panel or dock, whether Gnome, KDE, or standalone. > > > > (defaultGaps and the manageHook were a bit of a hack and broke if > > > > e.g. the panel tried to display a dialog box; EwmhDesktops does it > > > > correctly.) > > > > > > Can someone familiar with gnome either update that document, > > > or move its contents to the wiki, so it can be updated by others, then? > > > > > > -- Don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jevin Maltais [jevin@techie.com] > > http://jevy.org > > > > > > -- > Jevin Maltais [jevin@techie.com] > http://jevy.org From dons at galois.com Sun Jan 6 17:03:27 2008 From: dons at galois.com (Don Stewart) Date: Sun Jan 6 16:57:12 2008 Subject: [xmonad] darcs patch: shiftPrevScreen and shiftNextScreen, to make CycleWS c... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080106220327.GE21631@scytale.galois.com> mail: > Mon Dec 31 18:16:09 CET 2007 mail@joachim-breitner.de > * shiftPrevScreen and shiftNextScreen, to make CycleWS consistent Applied, thanks. From dafi5003 at stud.uni-saarland.de Sun Jan 6 17:45:47 2008 From: dafi5003 at stud.uni-saarland.de (Daniel Fischer) Date: Sun Jan 6 17:39:33 2008 Subject: [xmonad] window decorations Message-ID: <47815A1B.9040500@stud.uni-saarland.de> Hi, is there a way to decorate windows in XMonad? I'm thinking of a small title bar in which the window title is shown (nothing graphically complicated, only a simple constant color rectangle, maybe a simple 3D emboss effect). By itself XMonad seems to support only a single-color border indicating the focus state of the window. And I did not find a contribution allowing decorations either. So my question: Is there already something allowing me to decorate windows in XMonad? Or are there plans to implement such a thing? Cheers, Daniel From dons at galois.com Sun Jan 6 20:17:48 2008 From: dons at galois.com (Don Stewart) Date: Sun Jan 6 20:11:55 2008 Subject: [xmonad] xmonad user survey! In-Reply-To: <20071224030427.GD6183@acura.inside.allyourbase.se> References: <20071224030427.GD6183@acura.inside.allyourbase.se> Message-ID: <20080107011748.GJ21631@scytale.galois.com> Regarding tagging, I'd love to see someone interested in tagging step up and add a tagging extension in the contrib library, AFAIK, the support in the core is sufficient to allow this. Could a couple of developers interested in this collaborate to get something produced? -- Don acura: > True that! Tagging is indeed far superior to workspaces. It is by far > the biggest issue keeping me ambivalent in the choice between DWM and > xmonad. > > For users not used to the tagging approach there won't be any > difference. But tagging may not fit in with the ability to have > different layouts on every desktop. > > On [Sun 23.12.2007 10:23], Damjan Vrencur wrote: > > Hi! > > > > On Sunday 23 December 2007 06:47:34 am Don Stewart wrote: > > > > > Now is perhaps a good time to ask people what we can do to improve > > > xmonad further. > > > > > > * What things do you miss from ion/wmii/dwm/compiz > > Tagging. > > > > > * What things do you not miss from ion/wmii/dwm/compiz ... :) > > A statusbar that is part of a window manager. > > > > > > > > With information like this we can continue to improve our progressive > > > window manager :) > > > > > > > Regards, > > -- > > Damjan Vren?ur <~> http://lmmri.fri.uni-lj.si/damjan/ <~> GPG key: C6A3146F > > _______________________________________________ > > xmonad mailing list > > xmonad@haskell.org > > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/xmonad > _______________________________________________ > xmonad mailing list > xmonad@haskell.org > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/xmonad From dons at galois.com Sun Jan 6 20:18:38 2008 From: dons at galois.com (Don Stewart) Date: Sun Jan 6 20:12:30 2008 Subject: [xmonad] xmonad on OLPC laptop? In-Reply-To: <47710A37.7040607@personifi.com> References: <47710A37.7040607@personifi.com> Message-ID: <20080107011838.GK21631@scytale.galois.com> armin: > Hi all, > > did anybody get xmonad to run on the OLPC laptops? > Could you share instructions how you installed it? > > Thanks a lot, > -Armin > P.S.: Sorry if you get this email twice. yes, xmonad runs on the OLPC. see the photo on xmonad.org, we don't have instructions, but apparently you just build on a normal machine, and then dump the xmonad binary on the laptop. From dons at galois.com Sun Jan 6 21:10:14 2008 From: dons at galois.com (Don Stewart) Date: Sun Jan 6 21:04:07 2008 Subject: [xmonad] darcs patch: Use LANGUAGE pragma. (and 1 more) In-Reply-To: <47775447.2183420a.20dd.1859@mx.google.com> References: <47775447.2183420a.20dd.1859@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20080107021014.GL21631@scytale.galois.com> Applied, thanks. joachim.fasting: > Sun Dec 30 07:18:17 CET 2007 Joachim Fasting > * Use LANGUAGE pragma. > > Sun Dec 30 07:19:20 CET 2007 Joachim Fasting > * Correct caps in module header. Content-Description: A darcs patch for your repository! > _______________________________________________ > xmonad mailing list > xmonad@haskell.org > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/xmonad From gwern0 at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 21:18:42 2008 From: gwern0 at gmail.com (gwern0@gmail.com) Date: Sun Jan 6 21:12:52 2008 Subject: [xmonad] automatically generating template xmonad.hs if it doesn't exist In-Reply-To: <117f2cc80801041539m132b8ae8x363d888c1b6677dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <22fcbd520801031418u62230554j93775954ad8507f3@mail.gmail.com> <20080103221923.GL4775@scytale.galois.com> <20080104011901.GO4775@scytale.galois.com> <22fcbd520801041012m51930879vbb880e0f698c0006@mail.gmail.com> <117f2cc80801041022m234b95b3o288d54f5c41ce967@mail.gmail.com> <20080104182352.GA10421@scytale.galois.com> <20080104221846.GA706@localhost> <117f2cc80801041539m132b8ae8x363d888c1b6677dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080107021842.GA7533@localhost> On 2008.01.04 18:39:22 -0500, David Roundy scribbled 0.7K characters: > On Jan 4, 2008 5:18 PM, wrote: > > # Does it *have* to be mod1Mask? It makes more sense to steal Alt than Ctrl, I'll grant, but stealing the useless Windows is even better since even fewer apps use that; I notice that there are at least 4 or 5 configs on the wiki which change mod1Mask to mod4Mask. > > As pointed out, it really does. Most users will be disappointed when > they find that they are unable to exit a new window manager without > either killing it externally or killing X windows itself. > > I would, however, suggest considering a reduction in the number of > default key bindings. But then again, key bindings do seem to be the > one feature of any application that very few users can agree on. > > David Which ones would you suggest? I can think of some possibilities: , ((modMask, xK_p ), spawn "exe=`dmenu_path | dmenu` && eval \"exec $exe\"") -- %! Launch dmenu , ((modMask .|. shiftMask, xK_p ), spawn "gmrun") -- %! Launch gmrun Why should we include bindings by default for these two launchers - off the top of my head, I know of ShellPrompt in XMC, and I'm sure I could find more if I looked (don't the status bars like Dzen or Xmobar incorporate similar functionality?). The selection strikes me as arbitrary and outdated, as well as kind of odd: should the default bindings have such dependencies? , ((modMask, xK_n ), refresh) -- %! Resize viewed windows to the correct size This would be more sensible to bind to something like 'next' (which I guess would be focusDown?); you might say it's a duplicate, but there already are 2 bindings to focusDown. And how often does one need to manually refresh? We recommend using a good terminal emulator like urxvt, so that's that, and I can't think of any others that'd benefit. Does anyone actually use this often? Then it might be better to add refresh to a hook. -- toggle the status bar gap , ((modMask , xK_b ), modifyGap (?i n ? let x = (XMonad.defaultGaps conf ++ repeat (0,0,0,0)) !! i in if n == x then (0,\ 0,0,0) else x)) -- %! Toggle the status bar gap I'm not too sure about this one. If you're using an uncustomized totally standard XMonad, are you also going to be using a status bar? More to the point, would you be using a statusbar *and* also be wanting to toggle on/off the status bar? (Which is what this does if I understand it.) -- gwern GSM Submarine E. 510 ddnp building y friends RDI JCET -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It makes more sense to steal Alt than Ctrl, I'll grant, but stealing the useless Windows is even better since even fewer apps use that; I notice that there are at least 4 or 5 configs on the wiki which change mod1Mask to mod4Mask. > > > > I'd argue yes, seeing as the Windows key is not a ubiquitous key on > > all keyboards. Leaving it as Alt, whilst potentially annoying for > > some users, is tough, IMO. :) > > We could be more bold, without overriding existing key combinations, and > remap the CapsLock key (which most people don?t use) to a modifier key > and use that per default. It?s what I?m doing :-) > > PRO: > * Does not conflict with other Ctrl or Alt bindings. > * Quite a handy spot on the keyboard. > * Most people don?t use the CapsLock. > > CON: > * Some already remap that key > (but they are power users that most likely modify their xmonad config > anyways) > * Some might actually want to USE THE CAPSLOCK KEY :-) > * It might be a bit less intuitive than the Alt key. > > Greetings, > Joachim As much as I hate to rain on this suggestion (since I was the one who said, 'Hey! Let's steal the Win-key! What could go wrong?'), I don't think this would really work. I dunno about your pros and cons, but this strikes me as a difficult task. I've ported my configuration files among several computers/OSs by this point, and as many keyboards - and in general, figuring out what is the capslock keyboard and then using it seems to be pretty hard. I eventually gave up on using .xmodmap and began configuring the Caps-as-Ctrl through the installation process. It certainly would be neat if we could somehow build in a facility to try to steal Win if it existed, Caps if it existed, and then fall back to Alt... but I don't know of anyway to build that into the core in any easy way (although I haven't looked too hard through the X11 library, so feel free to correct me). -- gwern GSM Submarine E. 510 ddnp building y friends RDI JCET -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jevin On Jan 6, 2008 4:39 PM, Don Stewart wrote: > Is this in a good enough state to redirect the link from xmonad.org to? > Perhaps add the images inline used in the original article? > > jevin: > > > I started on an xmonad 0.5 + gnome. Open to feedback. > > > > http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_Gnome -- Jevin Maltais [jevin@techie.com] http://jevy.org From dons at galois.com Sun Jan 6 23:41:06 2008 From: dons at galois.com (Don Stewart) Date: Sun Jan 6 23:34:50 2008 Subject: [xmonad] darcs patch: reword comment (previous version didn't make sense to me) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080107044106.GM21631@scytale.galois.com> l.mai: > Thu Nov 22 17:59:25 CET 2007 Lukas Mai > * reword comment (previous version didn't make sense to me) Applied, thanks. From dons at galois.com Mon Jan 7 00:05:14 2008 From: dons at galois.com (Don Stewart) Date: Sun Jan 6 23:59:08 2008 Subject: [xmonad] XMonad 0.5, combo layouts, swapDown and swapUp In-Reply-To: <475DD982.4090601@nullcube.com> References: <475CD8EE.1070808@nullcube.com> <20071210115317.GA23574@darcs.net> <475DAD84.4080504@nullcube.com> <20071210213408.GD23574@darcs.net> <475DCDC2.6020109@nullcube.com> <20071211000840.GA22938@darksigil.darksigil.com> <475DD982.4090601@nullcube.com> Message-ID: <20080107050514.GO21631@scytale.galois.com> dave: > lithis wrote: > > On Tue, 2007/12/11 10:37:38 +1100, Dave Harrison wrote: > >> Yow, that's a bit of a showstopper for me since I'm a heavy user of > >> ComboLayout at the office (dev on a big monitor calls for a Full to > >> the left and tabs to the right I find) - I'm suddenly considering a > >> downgrade :-( What's the way forward here ? > > > > What about LayoutScreens? > > > > http://www.xmonad.org/xmonad-docs/xmonad-contrib/XMonad-Layout-LayoutScreens.html > > > > I haven?t used it, but it sounds like it might suffice. > > Just started trying this one out now, looks quite useful for what I > need (in fact I rather like it alot :-)). Doesn't seem to permit for > resizing of the screens though (not an obvious use-case I guess hehehe). Did you find a satisfactory solution to this, Dave? -- Don From loupgaroublond at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 00:36:43 2008 From: loupgaroublond at gmail.com (Yaakov Nemoy) Date: Mon Jan 7 00:30:27 2008 Subject: [xmonad] Xmonad 0.5 + Gnome In-Reply-To: References: <6831D834-8C6A-45D8-8EDF-2F7BE60C0F7F@ece.cmu.edu> <20080103194012.GI4775@scytale.galois.com> <20080106213942.GD21631@scytale.galois.com> Message-ID: <7f692fec0801062136s411654d2t65efc84426165817@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 6, 2008 10:46 PM, Jevin Maltais wrote: > We could redirect the link from the main site but I'd like feedback > from those actually using gnome right now! Chime in peoples! What's > your config? What issues did you experience when you were trying to > get gnome + xmonad setup?